My doctors office now has posted a "no firearms allowed" sign at the building entranc

She can keep going there if she wants but you can change doctors if you want. Everyone is free to choose.

My local medical center has been posted for a long time.

I can't tell you what to do, and if it were me it would somewhat depend on state laws that apply to the posting.

Some states have severe penalties for carrying into a posted area, and some states like mine, the poster must ask you to leave , and you must refuse, before you are breaking the law . If they don't see it, no reason to ask you to leave.

On the other hand I generaly honor posted buildings by either not going into them armed, or not going in at all.

I'm more afraid of the medical folks making mistakes when in these places than having to use my firearm for SD. The odds are way in the favor of them killing or crippling you with a medical error than shooting you.

Your post is lacking vital info. What state? What is the Law? Does the sign carry the force of law? Is The penalty just a trespass or is a firearms violation?

Medical offices, and other businesses have to have huge amounts of liability insurance.

If the insurance carrier says no guns, there is nothing they can do but post the signs.

Unless they have a metal detector at the door to get in?
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Never mind!

rc

I don't think insurance has anything to do with it. More likely "risk assessment" managers at the company are using insurance as an excuse.

I generally take such signs to mean they don't want my business. It would be rude to give them my money.

I don't think insurance has anything to do with it.

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well, I do.
The same thing has happened over & over again at small local gun shows where the promoters had to post signs to get liability insurance to hold the shows!

It doesn't mean no guns.
It means no loaded CCW guns.

rc

My family doc said it was ok for me to carry my gun in the office. She said cops do it, so the staff shouldn't be alarmed.

My urologist also had no problem with it.

I also carry to my dentist's office, but I don't tell her. The difference, of course, is that a medical doctor is likely to see it upon most exams, even something as simple as listening to your heart and lungs. You really can't say "concealed means concealed" in this case.

In some states it's totally legal for medical establishments to ban guns on their premises. In KY for example all it takes is a sign that says no guns and it's illegal to have guns there. That's only for certain types of places and medical businesses are included. It seems to be true that you can have your gun in your car as long as you don't take it out of the car or brandish it. This is what I've read on the web so don't take this for legal advice. But I can't point to the place I found this info if it helps. I looked this up because one of my doctors has a building with a sign on the front that says no guns. I wanted to see what they could do and what I could do so I looked it up.

Of course every state has their own laws. It's important to be up on the laws of states you frequent with your guns. I don't want to go to jail and I don't want the gun grabbers to use me as a bad example either.

Sticky....

It's a touchy point with some business owners/places.
Any signs should say; authorized or unauthorized firearms IMO. A cop or a licensed security officer/bail agent/PI can be armed during the normal day. Do they need to remove all weapons too?
My county's public library system posts signs that imply no illegal firearms(guns packed by under-age teens or felons).
My state passed pro-2A/gun statues that mandated no city, town or county can make any gun or carry related law/ordinance.
Cities or small towns/boroughs could not pop up & ban guns or post "no firearms" signs on public property.

Went for a flu shot on Wed, Kaiser now has a No Weapons on front door.
I've carried there for years! My Doc and myself usta shoot together. I'm not sure how legal it is but I kept quiet and got through and left. Car was half a mile off.
I will respect and lock it next time.
Dan

I carry an itty bitty mouse gun that I often forget is in my pocket. My daughters pediatrician's office has a similar sign. I can't tell you how many times I have broken their rule on accident. When my little girl spikes a fever, door signs are the last thing I am going to think about. To be honest, I'm not really thinking about my 2A rights at the time either. My focus is getting my daughter better...FAST. Sooo, if I have a pistol in my back pocket, neither my daughter's doctor nor myself is thinking anything about it.

Her doctor is fantastic. Not worth it to me to switch over a sign posted that is only enforced if it is brought to their attention. My guess is that the office just isn't keen on open carry in a waiting room full of small kids...right or wrong as that thinking is. Out of sight out of mind.

rcmodel said:

The same thing has happened over & over again at small local gun shows

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Apples and oranges. Businesses that post blaming insurance companies just don't want you to be mad at them. It's a red herring. There's no question on insurance apps about whether a business is posted or not, so it's not an underwriting factor.

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What would you do?

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I would (and did on many occasions) leave my pistol in the car. Their carpark was probably considered to be posted, also, but I was not going to be disarmed during the entire trip.

For the 6 years that I helped my dad after his stroke, I had to take him to the medical center a minimum of once a month (blood test, he was on Warfarin). The corporation that operated the med center (and hospital, etc) had all of their locations posted.

I have been carrying for a long time and, quite frankly, feel a little uncomfortable without my pistol ... but you do what you have to do.

GA law says you must leave if confronted/discovered or be charged with trespassing if I understand correctly. Obviously, I could ignore it unless I was discovered carrying and then just leave. It's just an uncomfortable situation. I'm sure the hospital will now have the same sign posted, too. I try to abide by the law-- just can't get over the feeling my rights are being limited.

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Understand that your rights are already limited by the law that allows for this to happen. So whether or not they allow guns has nothing to do with the fact that your rights are limited. This is just a place where the limitations are in effect if YOU go there.

With that said, if the sign doesn't carry the force of law, then the limitations are not in effect, yet. Only if you are discovered and told to leave or remove your gun do you have to worry.

You are making more out of this than there is.

carry and if caught say you didn't read the sign and leave.
there are so many signs I do not pay attention unless I am driving.
there are 2 below this post.

They can change insurance carriers if that is the excuse. Also, if you are the patient, I would think it is not necessary wise to carry into the exam room. The potential of having to remove some or all of your clothes would leave your gun visable and not in your direct control.
I would be more concerned if they asked questions about gun ownership or expressed anti-gun views.

Be sure to check if there are any special circumstance for hospitals/medical facilities in your state. I know that here not only do signs carry they weight of law (IF they are properly formatted - 85% of them that I see are not), but even without a sign you aren't allowed to carry into any medical facility without explicit permission from the chief administrator there.

Some idiot was fondling his carry gun in my doctors examining room while waiting for the doctor. The gun went off and the bullet just missed a nurse in another room. The door now has the no guns sign.

If the insurance carrier says no guns, there is nothing they can do but post the signs.

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Someone made that claim in another thread and an insurance agent responded that he had NEVER heard of that happening. Insurance is usually just an excuse used to justify their anti-gun stance.

My doctors office had a sign up last week, first time in 7 years. I ignored it, since he knows I carry since I advised him on both of his guns. He showed me his new one and asked me about reducing the trigger pull, so if he wanted me to leave my gun in the car, he would tell me, otherwise I am continuing what I always have done. This may be an insurance issue, since they are orthopedic doctors, and pain management, and write a lot of scripts for pain meds. Also they do Hospice, which has a lot of narcotic drugs. I got a shot of cortisone for the spinal problems, along with a MRI done yesterday.
Even the lady who gave me an MRI, carried a 38S&W, Pink. She turned me on to her dad who has some land that I may be able to shoot on, turned out he has over 100 guns. So you never know where you will make a friend in this sport. Now she could care less about carrying a gun in the MRI place. She asked to see mine. This stuff only becomes a big deal if you make it that way. If your doctor is a good guy or gal, I doubt if they are going to have a problem in some states. Most of them I found down here in FL are gun people if they are 2nd generation or more.

My doctor's place has the same sign. But, it's owned by and under the direction of the hospital, which is right next door. Hospitals are a no-no in Michigan, so this is at best a grey area. I don't take the chance, and leave it locked up.

Here in Texas it is illegal for a CCW to carry into a hospital. AllI of the freestanding hospital owned clinics I have seen are also posted. I am guessing that a privately owened physicians office could allow, or not post against concealed carry.

I live in a rural community where most everyone has guns. My doctor had his business next to the hospital bought out by the hospital group. He still practices there, but they put up a no gun sign also, just like the hospital's. He owns guns also by the way.

I carry most times OWB with a shirt or jacket over it. Now I just lock it in my glove box when I go in and leave my holster on. No one cares when I have to pull off my shirt for an exam. They are used to it. Insurance companies own the world.