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USAF Shoulder Holster Specification for Pilots

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Any vets or active duty know if there is a specific regulation.
I'm thinking of getting my son one of the ElPaso Saddlery Spyders in Black Floral as a surprise gift for his eventual deployments but want to be sure he will be able to use it and I don't want it to be to flashy.
 
Forum member Mainsail may know.

We had the K-Frame .38 Specials when I was in. They spent most of their time either in the armory or in a locked box on the plane. I think we had nylon survival vests that had a holster pocket.

ElPaso Saddlery Spyders in Black Floral as a surprise gift for his eventual deployments but want to be sure he will be able to use it and I don't want it to be to flashy.
I suspect it would be. During my time in the service, non-issue stuff was generally not allowed.
 
That would be a no go in the Army. Get him some extra helmet pads. That way when he gets fungus in his ACH he wont loose his hair.
 
We had the K-Frame .38 Specials when I was in. .
That's what I was issued, the few times I carried (USAF Flight Nurse) on missions. The holster was a shoulder rig something like this one from Amazon, best I can remember. It's been 23 years since I wore it. Seems like it rode a little higher and more to the chest. I wore it under my flight suit, didn't have a belt to secure the bottom of the holster, but it had the chest strap for sure.


www.amazon.com/Standard-U-S-Military-issue-shoulder-Holster/dp/B0006ZIEW0/re
 
Hey, I just noticed you're in Omaha. You probably can't swing a stick without hitting some Air Force guy. More thread derailment.
 
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How will he be carrying? That holster under a flight suit would be a nightmare, outside maybe not so bad.

If he's a pilot on heavies he'll probably be wearing a survival vest with the holster sewn on. Too little information to tell you whether or not you're wasting your money. I don't remember any regs that specified a holster requirement, and when we had the .38 snubs I carried in an ankle holster instead of the junk shoulder holster they issued.

When we switched to the M9 we got some very lightweight nylon contraption that put the gun in the armpit pointing up about 45 degrees for concealed carry.
 
I used armor and aviator shoulder rigs a lot in the Army

This one seems to be potentially conflicting with flight gear.

Will he be in a hot seat as a pilot or perhaps load-master/crew chief?

I'm thinking for a proper pilot it'll be a no-go.

I know "pilot" was used in the OP but you never really know till clarified.
 
+1 for waiting until you know more.

A shoulder holster like that in a bail-out would likely let the gun knock your brains into pink mush when a chute opened while you were pointed down instead of up.

Same for extra straps you don't need hanging up in ejection seats, etc.

The Air Force has had 100 years to figure this stuff out.
Let them issue him a holster that is safe for whatever it is he is going to be piloting.

Get him nice Luminox or better watch, or something!

Little chance a nice watch can kill him or get him in trouble for being out of uniform.

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My grandfather told me he was a pilot in the Army Cavalry in WW2 back when cav had horses. He "piled it here and piled it there":)
 
Little more clarity to the OP.
He just finished IFS last month and won't start training till Feb. He wants to fly heavies but that is ultimately someones choice other than his.
There is no shortage of photos with US Officers of all branches wearing a multitude of shoulder holsters (some very poorly worn) so my question was focused on recent BTDT Officers primarily AF who have knowledge of what is allowed and what they preferred. It is my hope that if he sees a deployment to a war zone that his upbringing will incite him to carry when ever it is possible so the shoulder holster is probably just one of multiple modes used both while in the cockpit and out.
If there is some latitude in what is allowed I'd like to get him something of quality that will last him well into his career and after rather than some crappy Uncle Mikes nylon gear.
 
My suggestion is to wait until he gets deployed and he gets a feel for what is preferred and allowed.
Squadron commanders come from all over the map regarding personal equipment.

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AirForceShooter wrote,
My suggestion is to wait until he gets deployed and he gets a feel for what is preferred and allowed.
Squadron commanders come from all over the map regarding personal equipment.
This is a good recommendation.

He just finished IFS last month and won't start training till Feb.
That is very early in his USAF journey. You have plenty of time before he gets to the unit level. Possibly in excess or two years.
 
Ditto on the wait until he finds out what he really needs/likes and what he is allowed to have. This won't happen until after flight school and initial training in a specific aircraft AND after assignment to an operational squadron. You're talking at least 1 1/2 years for all that to happen. He could very easily be assigned to an outfit that doesn't carry guns at all. So wait.
 
This is a nice symbolic idea for a gift, but don't be under the impression that it is something he will actually wear in theater.

What he wears in theater will depend on what type of aircraft he flies, and even what location he is deployed to.

Even then, type and style of holster will differ.

I've deployed several times flying both fighters and ISR aircraft, and the AF has so far purchased me three different style holsters for four different deployments...and those were just for administratively carrying the pistol when I was *not* flying.

Why?

Because each theater, and even each individual location, has different rules about what they want. For example, I deployed to Bagram AF in 2007, and I was issued a shoulder holster for the M9 that was a horizontal-carry style. Four years later, when I went back to Bagram in '11, the Army leadership at BAF had changed its mind and now all holsters had to carry the pistol muzzle-down, so I got issued a different holster. I'm deployed in theater now to a location that doesn't even arm up when not in the cockpit, so there's no holster issued at all.

As mentioned, that holster was for carrying the M9 on the ground only. In flight, I wore a survival vest that had an issued molle-attachment holster on it, as there's no room under the arms for a pistol in a ejection-seat airplane. In the ISR aircraft I flew, we were issued M4s that went into a rifle rack in the airplane.

Bottom line: He will be issued what he needs to match the specific local requirements where he goes and when he gets there.
 
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Not joking, at least when I was in they were custom poured.

Since about 2008 or so, the USAF fighter and trainer units I've been in have been using the Oregon Aero Zetaliner instead of the bubble-wrap headliners or the poured-foam liners.
 
Here's a shot of one of my squadronmates arming up in theater...the holster is on the front of his survival vest, just above his forearm.

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Thanks Hacker, that's the kind of response I had hoped for and yes it is largely symbolic just as other gifts I have given him and his brother over their years both in service and while at school for the youngest.
I bought them both common Gerber Military Knives and had them inscribed with personal messages and my oldest carried his in combat in Iraq, I know having it personalized and unlike any others makes a big difference and will be a memorable keepsake for years to come. I guess that's why I asked the question about the holsters since I like to have things be as useful and functional as possible.
I have three kids and they are all shooters so I'm going to order them each one of those rigs and personalize them, if the pilot can use his downrange someday then he can order a holster that will fit the M9/92 to fit the rig. My oldest is looking to go back to the Middle East privately so maybe his will come in handy then, the daughter had an armed man run through the shop she was working in who was killed by police a few blocks further so she will have another carry option as well.
 
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I'd guess that a great deal would depend on what he's driving. I'd also guess that whatever you buy him will be used one way or another. It's from his da.
"...to the Middle East privately..." Not exactly a vacation spot for Westerners.
"...for concealed carry..." That in case a terr didn't notice all the, wings, bombs and rockets?
Arm up. HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!. Close the hatch and say "Driver advance."
 
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