FYI - Buffalo Police to Confiscate Guns...

Low hanging fruit, the favorite target of bureaucrats.

In the city of Toronto the police used our long gun registry and our restricted (basically handguns) registry cross referenced by our licencing system to systematically target law abiding gun owners over 70 years of age for improper storage and other paper crimes.

Why not? Going after the gangs with illegal handguns and long guns is scary dangerous business. Law abiding senior citizens are so much safer to go after.

Until the USA we once knew is restored from the obamanation it has become...
...we will see more & more of this.
My home State of NY is and probably always will be an utter disgrace.

Well if this does come to fruition and you want to stay on the "right" side of the law, I suppose storing the weapons out of state until you can obtain the proper permits is a safe way to do it. Either way, consulting an estate lawyer would be in your best interest if you live in NY state. Perhaps setting up a trust for your weapons is a reasonable solution as well.

Gearmoe said:

The governing body who holds the registration paper can act to absorb the firearm at any time they deem necessary. Therefore when a firearm is registered, you are the owner only in as much as you are allowed by law to retain physical possession of the said item. So I ask, under such a system do you truly own the firearm? Given this relationship do the laws which seek to control possession become voidable with the possibility of negation?

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You don't even own your house never mind a registered gun

bangswitch said:

Hide them, stash them, bury them; then deny them. "What guns? Granddad didn't leave me anything except his railroad watch".

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This.

Do you need to prove you disposed of them? If not, 'yes they were disposed of, good day.'

"My cousin in Alabama has them. He bought them from Daddy the year before he passed".
Send them down to Bama to get a warrant!

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Great way to get the feds involved.

Private transfers across state lines and all....



No reason not to store dad's collection in a mini-storage locker in PA though while things are sorted out. That's what I did with my modern semi-auto rifle collection when the NJ Assault Rifle Ban took place decades ago. I did in fact after that need to deal in court with a persistant DA wanting to make a case out of the disposition of my collection, and the judge basically told him that since I had moved them out of state, it was tough-noogies. It really peeved the DA when I answered his question regarding "Where *exactly* are the weapons stored in Pennsylvania?" with a "I'm not inclined to answer that question, as they are outside of your jurisdiction, and furthermore under my 5th amendment privileges I refuse to answer this or any similar questions in more detail".

The DA was livid. The Judge, on the other hand, told the DA that he'd best move on...


(I never did hand them in. They resided in storage in PA until last year when I moved to Wisconsin).


Willie


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There is nothing wrong with selling your long guns in another state to any eligible person. There is no problems selling your hand guns in another state, so long as the person accepting them is a resident, and eligible person, of that state.

If daddy went to 'Bama and transferred them or had them shipped, there is no problem with that and no reason for "the feds" to look twice.

herrwalther said:

Ironically enough, that could make things worse. As one of the provisions of the NY SAFE act is stolen/lost firearms must be reported within 24 hours or result in a misdemeanor. Everytime I see something like this, I am more thankful I got out of NY.

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Umm, what are they going to do? Arrest my dead relative for not reporting his lost guns?

Umm, what are they going to do? Arrest my dead relative for not reporting his lost guns?

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If dead people can vote then they can probably be arrested.

25cschaefer said:

There is nothing wrong with selling your long guns in another state to any eligible person. There is no problems selling your hand guns in another state, so long as the person accepting them is a resident, and eligible person, of that state.

If daddy went to 'Bama and transferred them or had them shipped, there is no problem with that and no reason for "the feds" to look twice.

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Not at all accurate. There are several threads on this issue on THR, you might want to check out a few of them. Going over to the other state and then selling your handgun to an individual is still not legal.

Buffalo: This is also the PD that has shot 92 dogs in the past three years... one of the officers has killed 25 by himself; and the sheriff doesn't think that's problematic...

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=48807

I took all my guns to Florida and declared my domicile to be there. Saved many $$$ and no more NY State firearms restrictions. No NYS income tax, No vehicle inspection rip-offs, no snow to shovel (sorry Buffalo!) Sorry about my employees that lost their jobs when I pulled the plug, but no worries, you can collect NYS unemployment for 24 month. Maybe the Union will help you out with a new job--Yeah, right!

There is nothing wrong with selling your long guns in another state to any eligible person. There is no problems selling your hand guns in another state, so long as the person accepting them is a resident, and eligible person, of that state.



Really?

Not sold thru a FFL? There's a name for that: Federal Felony

Thru a FFL is another story.



Willie

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Hmm... Thanks guys, I was told wrong by a couple of ATF agents, I guess you can't expect law enforcement officers to know the laws they enforce, oh well.

The GCA does exempt "bequests of firearms" though.

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There is no problems selling your hand guns in another state, so long as the person accepting them is a resident, and eligible person, of that state...

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... and the transfer goes through an FFL in the buyers home state.

That is, unless you were looking to take an extended all expenses paid vacation at Club Fed.

Your choice: hide grandpa's guns from the cops by taking them out of state, or be a wimp New Yorker and turn them in to the cops. States such as New York are interested in having a docile unarmed citizenry. Do you want to be in that category? Get the eff out of that state.

Classic example of how registration turns into confiscation.