Pro life rally ends up becoming a sounding board for gun control.

The attempt of the gun controllers to piggyback on the antiabortion movement ultimately won't work, because religious social conservatives are as much pro-gun as they are pro-life. You have to look at the underlying demographic, regarding both causes.

I'm pro life, like my life, my Wife's life, my Children's lives, my family's lives. I'll protect them how I see fit. Reverend Rob Schenck may want to pull his head out his you know what.

(also notice about anyone can put Reverend in front of their name and all of a sudden they are important?)

I think I'll start going by Reverend Yo Mama.

They are separate issues and mix like oil and water.

What a scumbag.

The right to life must necessarily include the right to self defense. And the right to self defense must include the right to possess the means of self defense.

To a reasonable person, abortion and gun control may mix like oil and water, but when dealing with antis you have to imagine a human being who voluntarily goes to the home of Hannibal Lecter, has half their brain scooped out to be enjoyed with a nice Chianti, and has the other half doused in bleach before taking whole organic fertilizer to fill the cavity where once the other half of the brain had past resided. So they'll try and blend the two if they can.

Personally I'm pro-abortion (and pro-choice, and there is a difference), but I'm ardently and unrelentingly pro-RKBA (we need to dial back and get rid of all gun control laws pre-1910).

It was politically very dumb to mix two unrelated isses of any kind, by especially dumb to mix the issue for which people were assmembled with an issue that the majority of those assembled would not support.

I'm hopeful that most of the people having abortions are antis. Maybe they will self-extinct.

Seriously, this is just another example of why we must always point out that the courts didn't need to hunt to find the Constitutional guarantee for bearing arms. It's right there in plain sight. Abortion is a debate because it is a 'found' right. RKBA has no such problem.

And funny how that "found" right is vigorously advanced by the courts, while the plain black-letter right to bear arms is hedged and infringed daily.

It is comparing apples to oranges when concerning pro life issues and gun ownership rights. Sounds like this "reverend" is trying to join the circus with Jesse, Al, Holder and Obama.

How laughable. If I posted the violent crime data based on race I would be called out for being a racist and banned. It's that bad. The media just chooses to sensationalize the white on black in order to keep the story a hot topic.

What a hot topic filled with irony!!! An anti gunner who is Pro Life!!! Somehow I have a hard time wrapping my head around someone who thinks like that.
An unborn baby can not defend itself somewhat like a person who is not armed against a murderer bent on taking his/her life. I need to stop now

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They are separate issues and mix like oil and water.

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Actually the "pro-life" crowd is a pretty big tent. A study just came out that showed that 78% of Americans (including 69% who self identify as "pro-choice") would support a ban on abortion after the first trimester. We also see a lot of young people who are otherwise on the left identify as "pro-life". Many of the old correlations have broken down for young people, including the most conservative.

As bad as his tactics are, they are not necessarily foolish. There were probably a lot of people there receptive to his message.

The question for pro-RKBA activists, is how do we counter it?

Mike

PS. The death penalty is also an issue in which pro-lifers do not look like typical conservatives. I personally don't conflate the two issues (because of guilt vs innocence) but many do.

I am pro life, but there is one hell of a big difference between the life of an unborn innocent child and a determined felon.

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It was politically very dumb to mix two unrelated isses of any kind, by especially dumb to mix the issue for which people were assmembled with an issue that the majority of those assembled would not support.

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The man is making the classic mistake of confounding two unrelated issues, and will likely end up turning quite a few people off in the process. Given that our enemy is in the process of making a mistake, I'm not inclined to interrupt him.

Very hot button topic. To much emotion involved. The Pro-life group can be and has been very dangerous with how they go about getting their point across.

Their point is my way or the highway! People have lost their lives to these people. Things have been blown up. There is little or no common ground in the movement. Just my opinion on the Pro- Lifers.

"It’s time for the pro-life movement and lovers of life everywhere to expand our vision of the sanctity of human life. It’s past time to defend the full spectrum of life, from the tiny unnamed pre-born in the womb, to an oversized Michael Brown, to a New York cop doing his duty, to any young black male who strays into the path of an armed vigilante with a concealed carry permit."

If that was said someone should have shouted him down to correct him, to the point of removing him from telling further lies over the PA System.
These lies not only hurt the "Right to Life" folks, but they are used to divide a group with good values and intent.
If he feels this way about removing your ability to protect your life, I question his sincerity when it comes to truly being against abortion.
Throughout history people have been planted in to groups to raise divisive issues to destroy the group from within. I would guess he is one of these.

The issues of religion, abortion, gun rights are issues that are best left alone in most cases because people tend to go crazy. They get so worked up on the fact that their issues are the only correct ones and will defend them like a crazy person. It's better to fight each issue separately so you can keep on that issue only and state the facts of your argument.

I find most hard core religious, right to lifers, add whatever you want to be fanatical and more then likely a little crazy! More then likely they have issues and a lot of skeletons in their closets if you were to look closer at their background. The problem with this guy is that he's getting attention that otherwise he wouldn't and talking about issues that get attention. You never see pro RKBA people getting this kind of attention unless there's something happening about guns in the news.

Anyway, mixing these issues almost always gets these threads closed. Most can't do a rational talk about them.

I find it funny how people can be pro life, but support wars that murder thousands of innocent civilians.

The Pope is very consistently pro-life: he's against abortion, but he's also against the death penalty and against wars (and is generally against guns).

Unlike the Pope, most people pick and choose among these issues as it suits their interests and political orientation. Social conservatism in this country is against abortion but is in favor of the death penalty and in favor of guns.

I'm pro gun, pro life, but anti war, and I'm a Democrat.

I think I'll start going by Reverend Yo Mama.

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Sounds like the start of a thriving cult Rev. Yo. You might want to go with Rev. Yo Ma Ma though. It could be that's a little too close to the no doubt copyrighted "Yo Yo Ma" though. Still Yo Ma Ma has that tambourines and tap shoes sound to it. You could do a focus group to see which term works best. You'll need a really unusual hair cut to start things off. How about little patches of hair on both sides of your head that will grow out and look like dog ears on a hound. Everything else should be shaved. Guys with male pattern baldness will likely love it. Yep. You're on your way to building your first temple and abusing the tax code.

It wouldn't be any further out of the main stream than our friend the Rev. Schmuck or Schenck or whatever it was. You never know when you might find that mixture of chocolate and peanut butter that turns your whole world into one big Resese Cup. Gun control and pro-life. It sounds like a loser to me but then I don't like peanut butter with anything.

Its amazing what a preacher can start spouting after someone lines his pockets. Its sounds like one of Doombergs front groups has dropped a few extra pieces of silver in the collection plate.Funny how the Reverend has all of a sudden"seen the light"on gun issues.It reminds me of when I lived in Texas in the heart of the Bible Belt.When a vote would come up to expand the precincts where liquor could be sold, the liquor store owners would make hefty contributions to the hard shell Bible Thumping churches and the preacher would start railing about the evils of alchohol and the need to keep it on the other side of the tracks.

the liquor store owners would make hefty contributions to the hard shell Bible Thumping churches and the preacher would start railing about the evils of alchohol and the need to keep it on the other side of the tracks.

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Do you have proof of this particular accusation or are you just making wild assumptions based on your own beliefs? It seems to me that every church bashing poster coming and going mistakes assumption for fact.