Better HD option then Bennelli m4?

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suggestions? and why would you take it over the m4? this is strictly a home defense rifle pistol grip and full stock are mandatory.
 
You do realize the Benelli M4 is a shotgun and not a rifle, right? It's in the correct sub-forum, but your post is making me think you could be a tad confused.
 
An M4 will certainly work, but for true home defense it is massive overkill in my opinion. A good pump or a used Remington 1100 would be more than sufficient. Might be cheaper to move.
 
Every branch of the military has some Mossberg 500 with a steel trigger group. A plain Mossberg 500 will do just fine. If something should happen to the trigger group it is very cheap to replace. The Maverick 88 is an inexpensive gun that delivers more firepower than shotguns than many shotguns that cost several times more.

If you have to have a semi auto the Mossberg JM930 is hard to beat. The JM930 is a high capacity shotgun that is ready for competition right out of the box. In a side by side comparison the JM930 will run the Benelli right back to Italy.
 
I have an actual contract over run Mossberg 500 "Mils-Gun"
Had it for about 20 years now and it is still my go to combat shotgun.
 
If you have to have a semi auto the Mossberg JM930 is hard to beat. The JM930 is a high capacity shotgun that is ready for competition right out of the box. In a side by side comparison the JM930 will run the Benelli right back to Italy.


This couldn't be more false... I shoot a JM930 in competition because I couldn't afford a Benelli. The only the that a Mossberg will run back to Italy is your sanity. Competition ready out of the box? Nowhere close. It took one of my sponsors about 30 hours of work to get it running 95%.

I would never use that gun as a defensive shotgun, even now that it is running fairly well.
 
This couldn't be more false... I shoot a JM930 in competition because I couldn't afford a Benelli. The only the that a Mossberg will run back to Italy is your sanity. Competition ready out of the box? Nowhere close. It took one of my sponsors about 30 hours of work to get it running 95%.

I would never use that gun as a defensive shotgun, even now that it is running fairly well.
If the gun wouldn't run I would have sent it back to mossberg. We have just as many 3 gun matches as anywhere. I am not seeing what you experienced. But maybe shooters here that have issues with a new gun send it for warranty repairs. Trying to fix a gun that is under warranty is crazy.
 
If the gun wouldn't run I would have sent it back to mossberg. We have just as many 3 gun matches as anywhere. I am not seeing what you experienced. But maybe shooters here that have issues with a new gun send it for warranty repairs. Trying to fix a gun that is under warranty is crazy.
Mossberg's "warranty" is as good as their QC. I have no reason to trust that they could fix a gun properly when they ship my shotgun with a 1/2 dent in the magazine tube... After I got it back then I would have had to pay to ship it straight back to have them attempt to fix the shell stop because I know they wouldn't have checked it during the first trip. And then back again after that fit the cracked extractor...

Nope, I'd much prefer to send it to someone whose business it is to actually tune up shotguns for competition.

Now, was my gun a common example of a Mossberg? No, I don't think so. But the quality of their semiautomatic shotguns is known to be spotty at best...

My JM930 was definitely competition ready out of the box. Ready to be used in a rowing competition as an oar.
 
I shoot a Mossberg Rhythm in 3 gun, essentially the same as the JM model, but with a longer barrel and magazine tube. Mine has run fine for 3 years with nothing but the occasional cleaning. I also have an M2, not an M4 but still a Benelli.

Yes, the M4 would be a fine home defense gun.
 
Remington 870 or Mossberg 590

Not a fan of pistol grip full stocks, pistol grip just gets in the way of keeping it loaded.

How many 3-Gun shooters run a shotgun with a pistol grip fixed stock? IME maybe one percent.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
 
Weapon selection for defense should be dependant upon your terrain, situation State Laws and the reliability of the weapon in question.
I own three shotguns, two 870's one of which is strictly set up for hunting, the second which is set up for home defense but with a quick switch can also be a fine hunting gun and a third shotgun a 500 which is strictly home defense.

The reasons you list for the 930 having questionable reliabilty have been noted, however I seem to remember nearly every autoloader having the same things being said about it in regards to reliabilty at one time or another.
Lately and I believe priamrily due to 3 gun a new breed of auto's have hit the market that are much more reliable but in a whole different price range, the M4 is one of those shotguns.

In the end though, how many rounds and different types of rounds do you have to fire through a shotgun before you feel it is worthy of being your "Go To HD Shotgun?" So in the end you're kind of obligated to experiment a lot before the gun and load are just right for your situation.

So in the end it's a balance of Hardware, the gun, the load and the way you set it all up and software the training the shooter and the timne you invest it making it work just right.

I believe if I was going to have one shotgun for home defense the M4 might be a good place to start, just dont buy it, load it and sit it in the closet waiting for that day when you will need it. You might find you'll have a lot of work ahead before you and the gun are ready.
 
I think you are throwing a hardware question out there for a software issue. The M4 is a fine shotgun, as are all the shotguns mentioned above. I have a Benelli Super Nova, Rem 870, and Ithaca 37's and all of them are reliable.

That being said, here is my HD shotgun (it now wears a flash light) Ithicarightside_zpsadfa08fd.jpg
 
Whoever mentioned the pistol grip getting in the way of reloading.. I shouldnt have to reload in the case of an aggravated home invasion. A 12 guage is pretty damn nasty. I surely hope I never would need to use it and make such a mess.

All that aside thanks for all your replys I am going to pass the on the m4 and go with a 500, (I think)
 
Yay! I'm not the only one. I have an 870 tactical with magpul furniture and a mesa tactical sidesaddle that sits in the safe while my 50+ year old savage arms with cheap stretchy stock side-saddle is my go-to HD gun. 12ga is 12ga. Just make sure it goes boom every time.
 
Of the semi autos I think you have a solid choice. Pros and cons to both semi autos and pumps. Only you can decide which to get. Practice a lot and learn well.
 
For the OP:

First, you live in Detroit.

Second, home invasions involving multiple invaders are on the rise and depending on their training and how many of them are in your house, having to reload a limited capacity firearm like a tube magazine equipped shotgun is a very real possibility that you should train for, including training to keeping the magazine topped off/fully loaded (shoot two, load two, etc) during shooting.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
 
Best advice I can give is, take a good basic defensive shotgun class.

Randy Cain still teaches at Lakeland, FL from time to time, and he's good. With Louis Awerbuck gone now, Randy may be the best in the business with a scattergun. http://guntactics.com/schedule.htm

Tom Givens is on the road full time now, but I don't know if he gets down that way. Tom teaches a good shotgun class too. http://www.rangemaster.com/calendar/

John Farnam is the last of the genuine "old school" crowd still teaching, he's on the road a lot too. http://defense-training.com/dti/2015-schedule/

And there are any number of local trainers who can do a workmanlike job of teaching a shotgun class. Ask around...
 
sorry if its going to look like I am hijacking this thread :D but I didn't see the point in starting a new one when my question is so close to this one

would owners of the M4 please elaborate on the pro's and cons of this shotgun
I have been considering getting one but since they are so expensive in this country I don't want to take a chance on something just based on all the marketing people have to say ( they get paid to sell not to give you sound advice)
I am especially interested in how this shotgun functions after a couple of hundred rounds in one go ? reliable ? or should i rather look at the m3 ?
 
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