Dr. John Lott's latest article, "Guns and the New York Times"

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Elkins45 said:
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As requested, the closing paragraphs of the article:

" Between October 1, 1987 and January 31, 2015, Florida revoked 9,366 concealed handgun permits for misdemeanors or felonies. This is an annual rate of 12.5 per 100,000 permit holders -- a mere tenth of the rate at which officers commit misdemeanors and felonies. In Texas in 2012, the last year the data is available, 120 permit holders were convicted of misdemeanors or felonies – a rate of 20.5 per 100,000, still just a sixth of the rate for police.

Firearms violations among police occur at a rate of 6.9 per 100,000 officers. For permit holders in Florida, it is only 0.31 per 100,000. Most of these violations were for trivial offenses, such as forgetting to carry one’s permit. The data are similar in other states.

Clearly, people who are going to commit crimes don’t bother going through the process of getting a concealed handgun permit.

At some point, maybe the New York Times and other gun control advocates will realize that making false claims about permit holders actually endangers public safety."
 
So according to the facts, PTC holders are more law abiding than the police sworn to uphold the law? Maybe because PTC holders are put under a microscope to exercise their rights.
 
In all fairness, it's also true that police officers, due to the nature of their jobs, are more often in a position to be prosecuted (or at least investigated) for their actions. When I go to work tomorrow, the odds are just about nil that I will end up having to physically restrain an individual in the course of my workday. Not so much for a cop. There's virtually no chance that my duties at work in the coming year will put me in a situation where someone will accuse me of violating their rights or of assaulting them. Again, not so much for a typical LEO.

However, that said, it is certainly true that permit holders tend to be a very law-abiding bunch--especially in states like FL and TX where they have to pass a background check to get their permit.
 
Plus, in some states, police are always looking for a way to revoke gun licenses or carry permits. Failure to keep your lawn cut or a loud muffler on your car can result in CCW cancellation or confiscation of your guns for misdemeanors.

Jim
 
And what states would pull your CCW for not mowing your lawn, etc? Would like to know, as I can put them at the top of my 'avoid at any cost' list!
 
In all fairness, it's also true that police officers, due to the nature of their jobs, are more often in a position to be prosecuted (or at least investigated) for their actions.
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Guess it depends on the time and place....and the actions of the officers in question; some act more like Nazi storm troopers than someone who is supposed "to protect and serve"
 
That is patently unfair. I am no great fan of cops, but I can be objective.

There are a certain percentage of officers who let their authority go to their heads. I believe that is a very small percentage. There is a larger percentage who enable this behavior, and that is very disconcerting.

However, almost every officer will be unjustly accused of "something", and most, probably multiple times per year. The number of "citizens" who jump up and down proclaiming their "rights" but have no concept of the "responsibilities" which accompany those rights will complain endlessly about how their "rights" were violated.

Failure to keep your lawn cut or a loud muffler on your car can result in CCW cancellation or confiscation of your guns for misdemeanors.
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I'm pretty sure somebody was being facetious. :)
 
When both were at the University of Chicago, Lott unsuccessfully tried to engage Obama in a dialogue. Obama told him he didn't think people should be able to own guns.
 
There are a certain percentage of officers who let their authority go to their heads. I believe that is a very small percentage. There is a larger percentage who enable this behavior, and that is very disconcerting.

However, almost every officer will be unjustly accused of "something", and most, probably multiple times per year. The number of "citizens" who jump up and down proclaiming their "rights" but have no concept of the "responsibilities" which accompany those rights will complain endlessly about how their "rights" were violated.
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Substitute gun owner for cop in your scenario. I believe that the % of cops acting more aggressive has grown over the last 25 years or so; more seem to act like storm troopers; I believe part of that has been indoctrination and militarization of the police force. They have gone from proactive to reactive and in many cases have overstepped their authority resulting on a massive distrust and a belief (proven ion court) that they have no need to protect just investigate after. And my dad WAS a cop for 33 years, but that was a while ago when folks respected police and the police respected the citizenry.
 
"There are a certain percentage of officers who let their authority go to their heads. I believe that is a very small percentage"

And apparently that certain small percentage is far greater than the certain percentage of CCW holders who exhibit malfeasance resulting in CCW revocations.


Willie

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Nobody ever hears about cops who do a good job, the news doesn't report the times when a cop saves a derelict's life, or when an officer responds to car wreck and gives a drunk cpr after the drunk wrapped his car around a tree. The only time cops get big publicity is when they do something questionable. Cops should be held to a high standard, I very much agree with that, but much of their job is dealing with complete scumbags most of the time and that can wear a cop down, especially if they keep arresting some perp who is then processed and released by our judicial system due to some stupid technicality or policy.
 
Lycidas Janwor said:
Nobody ever hears about cops who do a good job, the news doesn't report the times when a cop saves a derelict's life, or when an officer responds to car wreck and gives a drunk cpr after the drunk wrapped his car around a tree. The only time cops get big publicity is when they do something questionable. Cops should be held to a high standard, I very much agree with that, but much of their job is dealing with complete scumbags most of the time and that can wear a cop down, especially if they keep arresting some perp who is then processed and released by our judicial system due to some stupid technicality or policy.
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I did not see Dr. Lott's comparison as anti-cop at all. As his statistics demonstrate, police officers as a group are very much more law abiding than the general population, and that should be no surprise.

His research simply shows that the group of people who have concealed carry permits are even less likely to break any law than police officers.

Don't read stuff into the numbers that isn't there. It helps if you read the whole article, not just the synopsis.
 
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