Oregon bill to require background checks on private sales

Well said James!

Too bad they will push it down our throats anyway. I see that there are 3 recalls beginning to take shape. Hopefully that is just the start.

The gun-control zealots

will never stop. It is genetic. It started before the ink on the Constitution hadn't had time to dry.

The Sheriff of Josephine County Oregon: Dave Daniel said he did not have the resources to comply with the law. He can barely keep the jail open & only himself and 5 deputies on the road. He said that he doesn't have the manpower to enforce this law.The Sheriff stated he just didn't have the money to enforce every law on the books.

krupparms said:

The Sheriff of Josephine County Oregon: Dave Daniel said he did not have the resources to comply with the law. He can barely keep the jail open & only himself and 5 deputies on the road. He said that he doesn't have the manpower to enforce this law.The Sheriff stated he just didn't have the money to enforce every law on the books.

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What exactly does the Sheriff expect to be required to enforce?

An excellent editorial.

I’m not that familiar with Oregon politics, but I understand that the UBC bill was initiated by Bloomberg’s money. One approach in many areas is [Do you want a New Yorker telling us what to do?]

This is a model for the kind of editorials we should be writing--logical, passionate without being angry and, most of all, persuasive. Too often we get up in counterproductive sloganeering ("what part of 'shall not be infringed' don't you understand?!") rather than coming up with arguments that will actually sway people.

A lot of folks are apathetic about guns, so many are willing to restrict someone else's access to them in exchange for an illusory sense of safety. To these apathetic people gun control is a net positive--they don't feel like they are personally sacrificing anything and "it just might save one life". These are the kind of people that the OP's editorial has a chance of educating.

Nice work!

Twiki357 said:

An excellent editorial.

I’m not that familiar with Oregon politics, but I understand that the UBC bill was initiated by Bloomberg’s money. One approach in many areas is [Do you want a New Yorker telling us what to do?]

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Yes, and no. The UBC bill was introduced in 2013 and 2014. Democrats did not have the votes to move it through the State Senate. Everytown USA backed by Bloomberg donated heavily in 2 State Senate races and the Democrat won in both. Democrats now have enough of a majority (18 to 12) that the UBC bill could not be blocked.

So yes, Bloomberg's money was helpful but this has been a long process. Oregon is also a solid "Blue" state with Democrats holding every statewide elected office and 1 vote in the House short of having a supermajority that would allow Democrats to pass any type of bill without a single Republican vote.

Bought and paid for by Bloomberg.

This will do NOTHING to make you safer from existing criminals, but it sure will CREATE a lot more criminals!

Letting the State Police keep all firearm transaction records for five year (and you know that they will extend it to forever and/or just never delete the records) is the same as registration.

Once you have registration some politician will come along and decide that YOUR gun is too scary to be legal, and then you have confiscation just like in California, Connecticut, Canada, United Kingdom, Australia and all the other countries we thought were civilized and reasonable.

*sends digital beer*

Please come by Gun Runner Arms for your free box of pistol ammo this weekend in 9, 40, or 45.

UBCs are not the issue most gun owners have with Oregon's SB941. SB941 requires an FFL to perform transfer. It is the fact that an FFL is legally required to check-in a firearm and require the recipient to fill out a 4473. The 4473 requires the firearm’s make, model, and serial number in order to do a transfer. In theory “a background check” CAN BE done on anyone (without a 4473) to determine if the person they are selling to is prohibited from owning a firearm without an FFL in the middle. It may not be via NICS, but a system can be implemented where individuals can check to see if the person to whom they are selling is NOT prohibited from owning a firearm.

But anti-gun’ers demand the FFL be right in the middle as so the records that FFLs MUST maintain can be searched pertaining to specific investigations and “mined” for archival purposes. Anti-gun’ers want the transferring of a specific firearm to be documented by recipient, date, manufacturer and serial number. All the information as to when a transaction occurred and just who received the firearm IS “indirect registration”. If the last known non-prohibited legal owner is person A, and non-prohibited person B has it … a crime has been committed.

If it was just a background check that was being pushed, then many more gun owners would support it. [ I'm not sure I would be one of the supporters, but the UBC schemes that I have seen proposed, SB941 included, are registration schemes. ] The presumption of innocence is out the window… and in its place it’s “How do you plead?”.

UBCs are NOT what anti-gun’ers want; they want registration.

chuck

In WA no one knows of one arrest or let alone a prosecution since the UBC passed here and went into effect before Christmas. So 4 months, no arrests, no reduction in crime, just another silly law.

Say you are smarter than your neighbors to the north and not fall for this gun registration scheme.

Sadly Pablo, we don't get a choice.

We don't get to vote on it.

If it came to a vote, it would fail- thats why its being passed in this manner.

Feel free to follow the link in my sig line to view the buried discussion on the subject.

I've got a kid's soccer tournament today.

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Spoke with the owner, its an open invitation

Thanks for the support, we need it !

Oregon+Washington, we have lost 2 states in 5 months to UBC. At this rate the antis will accomplish in 20 years at state levels what Obummer could not at the federal level.

Even SB941's sponsor admits that UBC will not keep guns out of criminals hands.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDl4gr-jDv8

Speaking of closing loopholes

http://oregoncatalyst.com/30556-sb-941-closes-marijuana-user-gun-purchase-loophole.html

Those Portlandia pot smokers will no longer be able to buy a home defense firearm from a lifelong buddy without lying on Federal Form 4473.

OilyPablo said:

In WA no one knows of one arrest or let alone a prosecution since the UBC passed here and went into effect before Christmas. So 4 months, no arrests, no reduction in crime, just another silly law.

Say you are smarter than your neighbors to the north and not fall for this gun registration scheme.

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A couple of questions:

1. Are Washington Sheriffs refusing to investigate those that fail background checks like some Sheriffs in Oregon.
2. How many prohibited persons did not try to purchase a firearm in a private sale now that they know they would have to pass a background check?

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Oregonians should be using the fact that this legislation claims an "emergency" status so voters don't have any voice. Oregon members have pointed out the claims of emergency prevent a voter referendum on the law. That sort of authoritarian tactic should anger many Oregonians even if they think UBC is a good idea. That may get them to contact their state officials and demand the emergency provision be stripped weakening the Antis.

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Should the emergency provision be stripped from SB 942 as well?

SB 942: "Directs Oregon State Capitol Foundation to undertake fund-raising and commission of statues of Chief Joseph and Abigail Scott Duniway, to be placed in National Statuary Hall in United States Capitol."

Declaring an emergency is routine in Oregon. It simply means the bill will go into effect immediately after passage.

Sorry, but I can't help but shake my head... you voted these people into office and now that they want to burden your liberty with their nonsensical legislation you don't like it.

Sewing and reaping my friend..... sewing and reaping.