Uber Bans Firearms - Petition Started

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I had applied with Uber and was waiting the results of my driver background check. Having read this article I sent them a polite email telling them to shove their driver job. I have no interest being an Uber driver in a high crime city. The money is not worth life.
 
What would be the consequences of just ignoring their "policy" and carrying a concealed weapon anyway? If, somehow, it is discovered that you were carrying as a driver, theoretically, it should only be in a situation where the weapon was necessary. Are the passengers going to do a "pat down" of the driver and detailed search of the car before stepping into the car? I think this is one of those times I'd tell the "non-company" to stuff it (secretly, mentally) if I wanted to be a driver.
 
Folks, this is Activism, not comments and complaints. We work plans of action here, not kibitz about "ignore them".

If everyone that considered working through Uber would send them the message herrwalther did it would be an action taken to change their policy.

If everyone with an account would send them a similar "you're fired as long as this unworkable Anti policy is in place" it would be an action taken to change their policy.

If the rest of us would send them emails saying "I was going to sign up, but not as long as this unworkable Anti policy is in place in the VAST majority of states where it is legal for me to carry" it would be an action taken to change their policy.

Saying "ignore them" accomplishes nothing to change their policy.

Along with the petition, here's Uber's quickest way to get a response - [email protected] Time to flood those inboxes!

Here's the email that I sent (free of rants or profanity) - "Uber's decision that they no longer want to follow local law and serve carry permit holders who are the lowest crime rate group in the U.S. moves me to decide that I will no longer do business with Uber as long as this policy to ignore local laws and impose a political agenda upon users is in place."
 
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Note that Lyft (another Uber-like rideshare service) also has a weapons ban, with a sweeping corporate twist: "Lyft reserves sole judgement on what constitutes a "weapon"."

My draft message to Uber is as follows (still massaging it):

"Because of Uber's recent firearms policy, we cannot continue to utilize your service. We are hereby instructing Uber, effective immediately, to cancel our membership and delete any and all information in our customer profile. Uber's firearms policy appears to be in direct conflict with Virginia Code § 18.2-308, governing the lawful carriage of concealed weapons. As such, we will no longer do business with Uber."


The California Labor Commissioner's decision ruled that a driver for Uber is an employee, not a contractor on June 3 .
This puts them in the traditional employer/employee slot.
Thus they can dictate whether a driver (employee) can carry.
Good luck telling passengers that their right to self defense ends at the car door. People will vote with their wallet.

Uber owns the car, so Uber makes the rules... Oh, wait, that not right, the car is not their property.

So, Uber is the employer, so Uber makes the rules ... Oh wait, that's an issue too. Hmmm...
 
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Funny, an Über driver with a CCW shot and wounded a gunman in Chicago who was firing into a crowd at Logan Square. The driver, acting in self-defense and the defense of others, wasn't charged. - The American Rifleman, The Armed Citizen, July 2015. From the Chicago Sun Times, 4/20/2015
 
I told them that it has made a dangerous job now even more dangerous , as criminals will target their service like dialing for pizza. Also that after 2 attempted car jacking's in 50 years of driving, I and my friends and family could never risk using their service.
 
A bit disappointed. 459 views on the thread. That could have been 459 people who took action and let Uber know their policy change is unwelcome by signing the Change.org petition.

You care about your rights? Get involved!
 
A bit disappointed. 459 views on the thread. That could have been 459 people who took action and let Uber know their policy change is unwelcome by signing the Change.org petition.

You care about your rights? Get involved!

You should not have used Change.org. Signing up on Change.org is akin to asking for unlimited spam. No thank you.

https://www.google.com/search?q=change.org+spam&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
 
Because using spam as an excuse to remain silent is why policies like this stand.

Then you should not be promoting your cause on a spam-based service. So don't be so disappointed there are so many views and so little action when you have chosen so poorly. No reason to blame us for your choice.
 
Then you should not be promoting your cause on a spam-based service. So don't be so disappointed there are so many views and so little action when you have chosen so poorly. No reason to blame us for your choice.
And here I thought this was ALL our cause! Wow...I was fooled! Instead of being proactive and using an alternate contact method, you'd rather attack me for my choice of platform. Wow! And we wonder why we can't get our message across correctly.
 
Hey mods,

You mind deleting this thread? Clearly I came to the wrong place to defend 2A rights.
 
Then I'm assuming you sent them an email, right? [email protected]?
I did and got a response within a couple of hours from "Patrick": "The no firearms policy is intended to ensure that our community- including both riders and driver partners-feel safe and comfortable when using Uber."

I replied and informed him how misguided that position is and that my money will be going elsewhere.
 
Instead of being proactive and using an alternate contact method, you'd rather attack me for my choice of platform.

Look, YOU started dissing members in your post #9 instead of supporting the alternate means of pushing Uber back to the neutral position they originally held. If you'd have been constructive and encouraging instead of petulant no one would have pushed back against your negativity.


Clearly I came to the wrong place to defend 2A rights.

No

You mind deleting this thread?

Not gonna happen. Stop being petulant. This isn't about you, it is about Uber's policy and the 2A (which is a lot more important).

It is valuable for Uber to get emails and calls and comments as well as a petition and the more ways they get the message they've overstepped the better.
 
I, sent a message to the address hso posted. Most trucking companies have a no weapons policy also. They usually claim that the Feds don't allow it, but as has been discussed on numerous occasions that is yet another BS story in an industry that is almost pure bs.
 
They usually claim that the Feds don't allow it, but as has been discussed on numerous occasions that is yet another BS story/QUOTE]

It is easier to lie to employees and tell them that it is regulatory requirement than deal with the backlash of a private company policy.
 
I just sent Uber the following message, for those of you who are looking for a way to write such a letter:

"I just wanted to let you know that I’m no longer interested in using your services due to the new and pointless firearms policy you have apparently put into effect. I’m a legal concealed weapons permit holder, a police firearms instructor, and a full time police officer. I carry a firearm with me wherever I go, and encourage my friends and family members to do the same. Your policy will not stop violent people from carrying guns in your vehicles, and these folks certainly aren’t concerned about the threat of losing access to your services. Rather, the criminals within our society will soon come to realize that you are employing a policy of leaving your drivers defenseless. This policy is merely a solution looking for a problem, and for people like me it has created a host of other problems in the process.

I choose not to be helpless. My family members choose not to be helpless. We will no longer be using your service, at least until this policy is changed. We will abide by your company’s wishes, even though we're not legally required to do so in this state, but we will abide by your policy by taking our business back to the taxicab companies who provide the same level of service without this kind of headache.
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A bit disappointed. 459 views on the thread. That could have been 459 people who took action and let Uber know their policy change is unwelcome by signing the Change.org petition.

You care about your rights? Get involved!

Personally, I feel that an individually written letter sent directly to the company by 459 people is going to be a LOT more effective than signing an online petition, even if 4,590 people signed the petition. Online petitions are a dime-a-dozen these days, and no one really gives them much credit. If I started an online petition to advocate beastiality I could probably collect 500 signatures by tomorrow morning.

But, if Uber gets flooded with strongly worded letters from individual customers who are angry with this policy, they'll probably be more likely to take notice.

Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with signing a petition. I do it on a regular basis on issues I care about. But, I think signing a petition and doing nothing else is mostly a feel-good cop-out on a serious issue.

It took me all of two minutes to type the letter I sent to them. It probably wasn't my best literary work, but it got the point across, it was unique, and it went directly to them (rather than a 3rd-party petition website).

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Stop being petulant.

I hope I'm not overstepping my bounds here, hso, but I think you have probably earned the "interesting word prize" for this thread. Petulance is a tragically underused descriptor in the English language these days.
 
Naturally these guys don't care… I just received this e-mail response from Uber. I have a few e-mail accounts, and sent my letter from an account that doesn't have my last name attached to it.

Although they seem dismissive, I still think it's valuable to write to them and tell them how you feel. If the backlash they receive is great enough, perhaps the policy will change. For those of you who actually use the Uber service, it seems like you'll get further if you send your message from the same account you use when accessing their service.

Here is their reply, which I just received in response to the letter I sent a a few minutes ago:

Uber said:
Hello Kevin,

Thanks for writing in to Uber support.

However, I am having trouble locating your account as it appears that you are writing to us from an email address that is different from what we have on file.

In order to provide specific information about your account or provide further help, please log in to the correct email address and submit a new request to "[email protected]" from that email address that you linked to your Uber account.

This is done to ensure your privacy.

Thanks for your cooperation.

All the best!

Irene
 
A bit disappointed. 459 views on the thread. That could have been 459 people who took action and let Uber know their policy change is unwelcome by signing the Change.org petition.

You care about your rights? Get involved!
I sent them an email stating my objections.
 
What exactly has Uber changed? Are they making a policy only that drivers should not be armed, or are they applying that to both drivers and passengers? The news stories aren't clearn on that.
 
this is what I sent

Hi I have only used your service a couple of times but wont in the future due to your ban on drivers/passengers legally carrying in the car.

You actually have no authority to do this and no capability to ensure that your ban is enforced. However people with CHLs are one of the most law abiding groups and we will follow your rules even though we don’t have to.

I encourage you to examine your logic as the ban has no value. Any criminals that want to carry will do it anyway and your drivers who do choose to follow your ban will be defenseless, especially once criminals discover your drivers aren’t allowed to carry.

Non CHL holders, but non criminals will most likely still carry regardless of the ban.

CHL holders are the safest gun owners with crime/accident rates lower than police rates, this group is the main group that will follow your ban.

You have basically stopped the safest group of gun owners while failing to stop any other group.

The first time one of your drivers is shot by a criminal carjacking his car with no way to defend himself you have opened up yourself up to a huge lawsuit.

This is a much higher probability than a driver who is carrying accidentally discharging a weapon which is what your lawyers are trying to protect against.
 
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