Where is the float for Mvpel

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I think he might have gotten banned.

I hope not. It seemed to me his case was quite important.

If so, the efforts lately to be more PC have evidently become more important than the RKBA.
 
the efforts lately to be more PC have evidently become more important than the RKBA.

What efforts to be more PC? The moderators have demanded a cessation of idiot ravings, IMO. Nothing more. This will be a better place for it. If you need to rant about killing Muslims and nuking Iraq, there are lots of boards where that sort of nattering is welcome.
 
Unfortunately, he's been banned from this site.

It appears that some of his posts were "offensive" to some of the mods here, and they gave him the axe. Treatment that I find to be rather draconian.

To be honest, I think it's time for me to leave, permanently. The amount of heavy-handedness is getting to be too much. There are other boards that cater to my firearms interests without the draconian banning of individuals.

Ciao
 
I want to know the outcome of his case. I can't imagine that he would have said anything to get banned. His pm thing isn't working. He did point out that people who worship Islam need to reclaim their religion from the evil people that have taken it over including many high ranking imans in different countries. He had quotes and stuff, but I don't see it now.
 
I dunno about the MVPel thing. Wuz on I-10/US 90 for three days. :)

PC? Me? Surely, one jests. If courtesy and politeness and organized, rational thought is seen as "PC", my strong suggestion is that such notions be taken elsewhere.

Hostility and rudenes is unnecessary. A guy once decided he'd had enough of a certain group. Rather than leave with some burst of profanity, he merely commented, "I won't say goodbye, because goodbye is said to friends, and we surely aren't friends. I won't say farewell, because that means "Until we meet again," and we surely won't meet again. However, as I walk through the door, kindly take notice of that sprig of mistletoe tied to my coattail."

Now, is that PC?

:D, Art
 
He had a thread on packing.org and probably elsewhere. If you want to keep up with his progress, I would start looking there.
 
1st Amend, banning and the like...

Just got back online here after being off for a few days for personal reasons.

1st Amend: Does not apply here, since this IS a semi-private forum (only semi in that anybody can read, but only approved members may post).

Banning: Its a darn shame that mvpel and other have been banned and their offensive post and threads have been removed. mvpel's float thread was rather important IMHO, and its loss is a loss to the entire THR membership. While Oleg (as owner) and the moderators (acting under authority granted by Oleg) are well w/in their authority to ban, remove and delete things they find offensive, such actions smack of the behaivor one finds on DU.com and the like, where postings and posters that are not-PC are removed. *I* think its better that such be left in place, if only so that other THRers can see how some members behaive badly in times of stress as a guide of what NOT to do, and as a historical referance in context. Of course, that's just my opinion, and I' don't run this site.
 
The difficulty with banning and deleting is that it tends to prevent an objective review of such an action, such that one could assertain whether one agreed with such an action ones self.

Given MVPel's general level of writing, I myself either; a.) find it difficult to believe that I would agree that his posts were offensive, or b.) wonder if the standards applied were so whimsical as to place most anyone in danger of being banned.

My point, of course, being that I can't go find out for myself, and that I'm not a big one on just "accepting someone's say-so." Not that the Mod's don't legitimately have such powers - just that the lack of reviewability is a little disturbing.

Dex }:>=-

P.S. As MVRel's a Free State Project member, continuing news is also probably available at forum.freestateproject.org as well.

P.P.S. Rhetorical versions of "Kill 'em all, and let God Sort 'em out," have been around for an extremely long time, and should seldom be considered as legitimate calls to action, i.e., "fighting words," in legal terms.
 
This is truly sad. So mvpel has been dropped into a memory hole? He was never here? Unfortunately, my respect for THR and its mods has significantly diminished. If some of the mods refuse to consider that they may just occasionally be out of bounds, out of step, or even <gasp> wrong, then I will be losing what I consider to be my extended family. So sad. :(
 
I would also like some clarification on why mvpel was banned.

- Gabe
 
You should Google MVPEL and read his posts on other boards. In my opinion, this guy had a definant agenda with the Manchcester PD if he is telling the truth about his other run ins with law enforcement on his other sites. Do your research and come to your own conclusion regarding him and his side of the story regarding his open/concealed carry run-in.
 
I looked into MVPEL enough to think he was a good guy. I think it is too bad that he got banned. His ongoing issues with the Manchester PD were interesting to say the least. He had a gift for writing, and I find it hard to believe that he was so offensive that he needed to be banned.


Oh well I guess you have to take the good with the bad.
 
Sar said:
You should Google MVPEL and read his posts on other boards. In my opinion, this guy had a definant agenda with the Manchcester PD if he is telling the truth about his other run ins with law enforcement on his other sites. Do your research and come to your own conclusion regarding him and his side of the story regarding his open/concealed carry run-in.
And this relates to his being banned exactly how sar??? Regardless of whether you agreed with him, or his alleged agenda, that wasn't what he was banned for - he would have been banned for references to Islam that a Mod or Mods found unacceptable.


Dex }:>=-
 
I just did a search on MVPel's user name. Turned up a bunch of threads (including his "Updates: Seized by Manchester PD" thread). Checked one and sure enough his posts are there.

I don't know what he did to get banned, but it is incorrect to complain that all of his contributions to this website have been dropped down a "memory hole".

Honestly, I'm starting to get a little uneasy about the banning myself, but ...
 
For crying out loud! Suck it up!

Very publicly, AND VERY LOUDLY, it was reiterated that everyone here is a guest. It was no so confusingly recommended that people rein in their rhetoric concerning Islam for the very laudable goal of not tarring every Muslim for the actions of the few. BTW, in case you missed from your time here, and on The Firing Line, and all the way back to the freakin' USENET--what was required by the mods was nothing more, and nothing less, than the same respectful distinction we demand from our opponents between the law-abiding gun owner and the criminal using a firearm for a nefarious end. Why should we give any less than the same distinction when the opportunity arises in a different context?

It wasn't all that difficult for the adults here to abide by the wishes of the moderators and the owner and operators of this site.

Or apparently it is for a certain segment of them.:rolleyes: Heavy-handed? Perhaps, but apparently some folks require clubbing to get things into their heads.:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
 
Freedom isn't free. You want freedom to do and say what you want start your own country. Get your own server and address and start your own site. Quit bitching about how the owner aranges the furnature. Just because you tripped over the coffee table after being told is was there isn't the owners problem.
 
Relax, Boats. Nobody said that there is never a reason to ban someone. We're just asking what it was that got Mvpel banned.

If you know what it was, go ahead and share it, but lay off the attitude.

- Gabe
 
He pointED out that people who worship Islam need to reclaim their religion from the evil people that have taken it over including many high ranking imans in different countries. He had quotes and stuff from the Koran, high ranking imans, and the Bible. That's what it was, I think. Ask the mods.
 
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