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"What I've read on this pistol since posting is that it designed by the Walther engineer(sry, to early to go searching for names) who designed the P22."
Sorry, it is FALSE. I know _personally_ the man, who designed the ISSC M22, he is German also, but not the same guy with the P22 designer.
In Hungary for real handguns CCW permit is theoretically possible IF the applicant proves, he/she is in "danger which requires firearm to defend himself/herself".
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So practically it is IMPOSSIBLE, less than 9 000 CCW issued in a country with population of 10 million. Most of the CCWs...
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In the US the average gun buyer want gun for self/home defense.
In most European countries, especially in former socialist bloc, there is no such thing. Selfdefence is not a legal reason to have a lethal firearm.
We are limited to some non-lethal guns (and it is still a big step forward...
"Gvass,
What is that? Is it real? Does that say 9mm K (.380 acp) on the side?"
No, it is a 9 mm PAK (9x22 mm) tear gas/blank non lethal slefdefence device.
European Speciality:-))
:banghead:
Entirely made of aluminium, less than 4 ozs.:p
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"I wonder if you're mistaking another eastern bloc gun for potentially AD'ing when decocked. Like maybe the Tokarev?
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Sorry, but I'm from Hungary, and I am fairly sure, this country is the largest user of this pistol. We have enough experience since 46 years (1963).
The problem is...
Yes, the passive firing pin blocking works such way. But in many cases it won't work, and the pistol fires when the decocker pushed down. Before carrying a PA-63, you should check it carefully!
"By the way gvass, what is this revolver you've got there? It looks like it shoots large rubber balls?"
Yes, 18 mm (12 ga) rubber balls fired by 9x17 mm R blanks. Four-shot TRAUMATIC (non-lethal) revolver. Muzzle energy is 80-100 joule.
(The most effective home defense gun you can have...
PK380: I had it in my hand. The slide is steel, with Browning-style tilting barrel.
However. this gun is where I can't find reason to make. Thicker than a 9 mm Luger Walther PPS, and the ammo is only cca. 60% as powerful.
And the worst part: there is NO DECOCKER!!! A Walther!!! From the...
PA-63 loaded mags are known of weakened springs and deformated lips on long term. Could cause both FTF and FTE.
This is why Hungarian police carried only 5 rounds in the mags (2x5 total...what a firepower....:-)))
The magazines are cca. 10-15 dollars here, but it not helps you at all.
Sorry, but the US-theme inlets on the grip of a PA-63 is totally out of style for me.
These grips are more Hungarian:
The most desirable (collector) version is the factory-hardchromed one with white grips. This was given for some high-ranked officers anno.
Do not load real ammo in it!!!
This is definiately a .320 caliber centerfire TEAR GAS pistol! NO real ammunition is safe in it!!!
(I have one. On that the chamber and the barrel have different axis, no metal bullet can "jump" from it.)
Ammo:
"If you fake to be a sportshooter..... they might let you have it as a foreigner......"
As far as I know you need 5 years of living in Germany for any kind of "Waffenrechtliche Erlaubnis" (gun licence).
Single shot muzzleloaders (with originals made before 1871) are frei ab 18 in Germany...
"I could own semi-auto AKs, etc"
No.
Semiauto, military-origin rifles are highly regulated in EU. In the same B category as handguns.
Easier to acces long guns are practically single or double barrel shotguns and single-shot or repeater rifles. In Austria for example these are free of...
For a foreign and non-EU citizen the chance to get a firearm _ownership_ licence (Handgun) is _practically_ non-existent. Carry licence? Muhahahahaha
In some EU-countries you can have some kind of long guns free of licence (or with registration), but thats all.
Airguns, muzzleloaders are...
The american guys can not understand these I think.
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These non-lethal CIVILIAN guns make so BIG difference from defending yourself with bare hands. These "guns" represents so big step towards freedom...Until the collapse of CCCP, even learning karate or judo was punishable with prison...
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