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I'll speculate based on the context of this thread... the Graffunder may have been pulled out of a fire and given how much steel there is, it absorbed all the heat and proceeded to cook everything inside. :eek: Or... it's a business thing, which is probably more likely. :scrutiny:

Ruh roh? Care to share the details?

900F, U.L. Is stupid expensive, but an independent lab is probably not nearly as bad. Even a test like the one Fort Knox posted may suffice for many people, check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1emdpdLWhH4 We have a verification of temperature from the firemen (is it where the safe...

Holy crap, 2_ar... seems we've read a lot of the same threads. I really wish you didn't crap on Rockola though. He's not here to defend himself and to be fair, he did try to use real science - whether it's applicable or not. It's healthy to have a good debate. Without those debates myself and...

Simson, reading your post I'm pretty confident you're just trolling. However, right in your own post, you've repeated the problem which has been stated previously: How does a container enveloped in heat radiate heat? -------------------------------------- You know what, at the end...

Just ran across a great thread that's right on topic (plus a lot of other great nuggets in there). Definitely worth a read: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_46/400459_Pulled_the_trigger.html

If U.L. were a gimmick, banking institutions, government agencies, businesses and many others wouldn't trust it, nor get insurance coverage. Are you going to take the word of Sturdy or the rest of the world who insures probably hundreds of billions if not trillions of dollars in value? Don't...

Let me tell you a little story about a friend of mine. He's had the same insurance for an umpteen number of years and every year his agent assured him that the fence on his commercial property is covered by the insurance. He's been happy with the policy and has had no problems. One day a drunk...

I think [again, not a pro :)] if you have a sprinkler overhead, all this talk about fire insulation probably doesn't matter much. I'd just store things that can't get wet in waterproof containers or Ziploc bags. The nice thing about the Sturdy, is you can get them so large, for a decent price...

Since I can't edit my original post, let me retract what I said about Sturdy offering better theoretical fire protection. After reading much more about this mode of insulation on another forum, I would NOT trust this RSC to protect my valuables in a house fire. I'm not an engineer, but the...

DSling, are you asking because you're looking to buy? Looking for advice? Or are you just taking a poll? Your initial post is rather strange... I'm still in the shopping process, but to me the following matter: 1. Security & fire rating - Minimum 1 hour fire (tested/proven/no drywall!)...

CB900F, sorry I didn't see your post earlier. I AM looking for something that would stop a smash-and-grabber. However, the one thing that worries me about RSC's is that if you give it a whack with something it'll break/distort, giving the person confidence that if they whack enough or do enough...

Hah! Who knew? I thought you were kidding!

Plywood, against a torch attack? :scrutiny:

2_ar: or stainless steel...

CB900F, Talking about bolts and sheet steel. I think you and many others here will appreciate this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_1M6jTqES8 Who wants to take bets on how long it took to do that much damage? My guess is a couple of minutes. I'm surprised they use that tin can for...

Elessar, "It has been made pretty clear, most recently by a long time amsec engineer, that the drylight fill has no real security value. It is there for heat resistance. So, I think a 1/4" liner is a very nice upgrade to the BF. I'd say it is a game changer, as long as the price keeps it in the...

Thank you. Any ideas about steel thickness?

Alright, experts, I have one more question :neener: I found out that the Amsec CSC4520 comes with a gun interior (see image below). Amsec advertises a 2-hour 1700F factory rating, which I'm fine with since it's 2-hour and of sufficient temperature that I'm confident it will do fine in my...

Ugh, what's wrong with this forum? I can't quote! "I'm sure you had to do what I did and skip through some of the jousting and armwrestling to read the good stuff." ^^ Nah, I love it. When someone is so passionate about getting the facts or their opinions across they'll go to great lengths to...