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QuarterBoreGunner wins. Everyone else go home. ;)

Skunk, you're absolutely right, I didn't explain very well. What I meant is that due to the condition of his gun (ie, SA first shot) he's not in Production, no matter what. Therefore, to be helpful people have been telling him how to make a major .40 load so as to not be penalized. Man, I...

Ankeny: That's good info, thanks for digging up that rule. I think that's what the MD had in mind. From all indications this guy had defeated the only safety mechanisms his gun had. Now, that may be fine on it's own, but combined with the way he handles his gun, and other things about his...

c_yeager: *I* don't want to do anything, I'm describing what others said. His way of drawing and reholstering is such that the gun is ALMOST at the 180. Any variation and it would be. He has disregarded instructions to change that in the past. The folks mentioned there were a number of other...

Skunk, the main concern is that a single-action gun, with no safety, no decocker, being stuffed into an IWB holster (or as often as not missing the holster and going into his pants) along with his other unsafe tendencies, scares the hell out of everybody there. I don't know much more about...

New_comer: we all got the impression he had modified it. As others have said, it's possible to replace factory parts with other factory parts. His gun is going to get inspected next time it's around. I specifically asked him about the presence of a safety or a decocker, and he said no to...

None of this was my decision, as I'm even newer than he is :) I was just relating what I saw. I agree with you that a DQ is a harsh penalty. That's why he wasn't DQ'ed. The same RO's we had this weekend had dealt with him and his actions before, and seemed to have just about had enough...

Wolf: fine point. Like I said, folks were a bit confused about how to handle it. While there weren't any overt safety violations that I saw, there was a lot of tendency towards unsafe behavior. It was a borderline situation that will not remain un-dealt-with for long.

1911's and BHP's aren't allowed in Production, they must be shot in Limited or L-10. The 14th edition rulebook states on page 92 that the first shot must be Double Action. It's on page 92 of the book. What isn't written but is generally accepted is that Safe Action type systems (ie Glock)...

Yeah, I agree with you. What I'm saying is that if a shooter, knowing full well that his equipment is illegal for a division, signs up for that division anyway, that is a clear violation of the spirit of the game, and in my opinion grounds for DQ. There was no "just because" in this...

If the shooter intentionally misrepresents his division, then I think a DQ is in order. I don't think that was the case here, though, I think he was just unfamiliar with the rules.

I think with those mods he goes to L or L10. The rule book doesn't say much about changing the operation of the pistol, just about modifications to things that could provide a competitive advantage. I don't think the advantage gained from not having a safety to disengage is significant...

Exactly right. The fact is, Nationals are happening in Bend, OR this weekend, and everyone (and most of the props) from the club are over there. There were 11 people there, making it very informal. He was told yesterday that this is all stuff that would get him DQ'ed in a regular match...

So it's possible to create a gun that is single-action and has no safety or decocker? Yikes. That's really what it sounds like he has. About as far from safe as I can think of.

Okay, so I'm at the local USPSA match this weekend. There's a guy there who is shooting a USP compact out of an IWB holster. First stage, when he draws his gun, he turns so he is facing down the 180. He draws, keeping the muzzle more or less in a safe direction, but freaking out everyone...

Paddle holster....?

Don't forget the shark repellant. No Utility Belt is complete without Shark Repellent. Pow.

The trigger forward thing is only for the first SA shot, and I believe only after racking the slide. I *think* that after the first DA shot, the trigger resets to it's normal, back position.

haha yeah. It's going to be a little while before I've got the balance saved up. Plus the gun's got to go back for service first.

All things being equal, I like the XD too. I'm not satisified with *my* performance with the gun, and I'm pretty unhappy with Springfield. I will admit, as well, to having a bit of buyer's remorse for not holding out for the P99 that I really wanted :) Or being smart and buying a CZ for...