‘More paint and less hate’: Online petition calls for end to ‘black targets’ at shooting ranges
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The beginning was a long time ago, and they will use any avenue they can to further their objective of full gun confiscation in the end. Be always vigilant.
Steve51
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I am no longer surprised but they have no idea how little I care.
MedWheeler
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Hell, this came up back in the 1980's, when I was still a rookie cop. For a while, we did see a lot of blue silhouette targets, and it was for this very reason.
What about a multi-colored.....nevermind.
Or for practical reasons, not teaching people to shoot at orange silhouettes would be appreciated for families and friends who Don blaze orange every fall so they DON'T get shot at......
Arizona_Mike
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The Change.org petition has been removed. Probably too much mockery.
Mike
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In today's world of social media, mockery and ridicule are weapons with two edges. The younger generation who uses 140 letter methods of comment can get their point across succinctly.
It's where the war on opinion will be held in the future, forums notwithstanding.
It's where the war on opinion will be held in the future, forums notwithstanding.
Sam1911
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I guess I'm not really sure why we'd care at all about this. Police instructors use a variety of targets, many of them in other colors and forms, and truth be told, what police instructors use is not directly bearing on anything any of us do. No entity could make illegal the publication/printing of whatever targets we like, on first Amendment grounds.
Some online petition from a group of social activist "artists" is going to sway the range rules of private clubs or shooting range owners? Naah, not a chance.
Changing the rules at public shooting ranges administered by the various states? Boy, that's a long, long shot.
I'd chalk this up to "noise," and worry about more realistic problems.
Some online petition from a group of social activist "artists" is going to sway the range rules of private clubs or shooting range owners? Naah, not a chance.
Changing the rules at public shooting ranges administered by the various states? Boy, that's a long, long shot.
I'd chalk this up to "noise," and worry about more realistic problems.
Dog Soldier
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Well way back in 1968 they rolled out a law that was hard to believe. The very discriminatory ""Melting Point" rules. Back at that time gun owners laughed at the thought of Banning guns based on what temperature your gun would melt.
No one scoffed very long. It became the law.
http://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6828&context=jclc
http://guncite.com/journals/economic.html
No one scoffed very long. It became the law.
http://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6828&context=jclc
http://guncite.com/journals/economic.html
Sam1911
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Sure, but this isn't even a proposed bill. And it doesn't seem to have any chance whatsoever of becoming one.
Sure, if a legislator picks it up and tries to make a bill out of it, and if it gets to the point of a committee somewhere, it will be worth fighting against on principle, but this petition thing seems to have no stance from which to project a real world effect.
(Now, I haven't shot a black humanoid silhouette target in at least a decade, but I'd still fight for everyone's right to do so if it was ever challenged. Of course, the biggest fight would be a 1st Amendment one -- printing and using a product like this is a matter of free speech -- but I'd still be willing to fight for it.)
Am I willing to declare my own standing to fight against local policies or rules about what individual police departments' instructors are told to use for training materials? Ehh...I'm not sure how my dog's in that fight.
It would seem a bit akin to me trying to fight the requirement for IPSC to use "amoeba" targets instead of the standard silhouette in Europe. I don't shoot IPSC, and those rules don't apply to competitions here in the US, so how exactly I can oppose that rule except in the most broad terms, I don't know.
Sure, if a legislator picks it up and tries to make a bill out of it, and if it gets to the point of a committee somewhere, it will be worth fighting against on principle, but this petition thing seems to have no stance from which to project a real world effect.
(Now, I haven't shot a black humanoid silhouette target in at least a decade, but I'd still fight for everyone's right to do so if it was ever challenged. Of course, the biggest fight would be a 1st Amendment one -- printing and using a product like this is a matter of free speech -- but I'd still be willing to fight for it.)
Am I willing to declare my own standing to fight against local policies or rules about what individual police departments' instructors are told to use for training materials? Ehh...I'm not sure how my dog's in that fight.
It would seem a bit akin to me trying to fight the requirement for IPSC to use "amoeba" targets instead of the standard silhouette in Europe. I don't shoot IPSC, and those rules don't apply to competitions here in the US, so how exactly I can oppose that rule except in the most broad terms, I don't know.
Don't think this mania is new or that the left invented it. About three years ago, I lived in Fairfax, VA and regularly shot at the NRA HQ range. During open range time, they would not allow targets that even remotely looked like the body shape of a human or an animal. They said it was because they allow minors in the range and it might upset them, although chatting in the range lounge the rumor was that it's really because they sometimes allow the media in and they don't want them zooming in on the targets and trying to make some arguments about it.
I like to save money and shoot at paper plates. They're cheaper. I got bored once and drew a smiley face on one with a Sharpie. The range officer told me that was a violation of range policy and not to do it.
FWIW, the best time I've ever had at a range was about 10 years ago when my best buddy from the Navy and I rented an M16 and an MP9, both full-auto, at a range in St. Louis. We shot at life sized Osama Bin Laden targets. That was really cathartic!
I like to save money and shoot at paper plates. They're cheaper. I got bored once and drew a smiley face on one with a Sharpie. The range officer told me that was a violation of range policy and not to do it.
FWIW, the best time I've ever had at a range was about 10 years ago when my best buddy from the Navy and I rented an M16 and an MP9, both full-auto, at a range in St. Louis. We shot at life sized Osama Bin Laden targets. That was really cathartic!
Dog Soldier
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Interesting thread. I recall shooting IPSC in the 1970s. Back then the "PC" crowd was protesting the use of the standard Police targets. Most clubs went to a target that hardly represented a human.
The control of ammunition and shooting ranges falls outside the 2nd amendment. I expect more ranges are being closed than opened. This "Racism" issue will not go away.
The control of ammunition and shooting ranges falls outside the 2nd amendment. I expect more ranges are being closed than opened. This "Racism" issue will not go away.
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People shooting at orange targets might make Pres. Trump nervous
glc24
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Interesting thread. I recall shooting IPSC in the 1970s. Back then the "PC" crowd was protesting the use of the standard Police targets. Most clubs went to a target that hardly represented a human.
The control of ammunition and shooting ranges falls outside the 2nd amendment. I expect more ranges are being closed than opened. This "Racism" issue will not go away.
No it won't, because the Hard Left won't leave it alone!
Its actual a topic of discussion now a days with clubs wanting TV coverage and the use of those same block humanoid targets.
Sam1911
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Sure! If you look at the kinds of targets used by the various official disciplines, a few of the smaller organizations do use some round targets or diamonds or whatever. USPSA (our version of IPSC) doesn't seem too concerned, and their use of tan threats and white no-shoots has LONG been a subject of lampooning among competitors. I guess we're ok in IDPA since both the threats and non-threats are tan, but you can't shoot anyone who's got their hands up. That should keep some folks pretty happy, I think.
The only black painted targets in either discipline are hard cover so that's actually teaching yourself NOT to shoot at that color.
Sunray
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So these racist twits equate colour contrast with people? Fortunately, nobody pays any attention to on-line petitions.
"...rainbow colored..." Can't have that either. Make you homophobic. snicker.
"...rainbow colored..." Can't have that either. Make you homophobic. snicker.
jonnyc
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A Spanish friend tells me that no human-shaped targets can be used at all by private shooters, and a two-handed combat stance is also not allowed!
There goes about 75% of my shooting time.
There goes about 75% of my shooting time.
herrwalther
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My targets are Shoot N See. Black targets that highlight yellow when shot. That should give all the SJW crybabies an aneurysm.
loose noose
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While being a range master at a local casino out here, I ordered some silhouette targets, note in the past they were all black, however the new ones I got were light grey. I did have some complaints from some of the security officers that they were harder to see, and why I ordered them. Just joking I stated, "to be politically correct". unbeknownst to me I was being somewhat politically correct. However, the later targets were of the black nature.
Carl N. Brown
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I have stencils I use to make targets from cardboard plus I have a metal swinger target. I use flat black spray paint almost exclusively for stenciled targets and to prep the swinger. Also left over from stock camo and deck furniture projects I have Forest Green, Earth Brown, Khaki, Little Boy Blue and Ballet Slipper Pink paint.
Flat black paint outline stands out better on pizza box cardboard or heavy stock printer paper. The contrasting edges of bullet holes are more visible in black-over-white paper targets. On the iron swinger target grey lead splashes show up better on black painted iron. I find flat black spray paint is about $1 cheaper a can than colored paint.
But if someone wants to claim that black target = racism, arguing optics and economics would be a waste of time. How about the realistic combat targets with examples of No Shoot a black plainclothes cop with badge on belt holding pistol pointed down and Shoot a white meth head with double barrel at waist level pointed forward? Would that demonstrate a lack of entrenched racism in target design? Or is attempting to persuade closed minds like trying to shake hands with clenched fists?
Flat black paint outline stands out better on pizza box cardboard or heavy stock printer paper. The contrasting edges of bullet holes are more visible in black-over-white paper targets. On the iron swinger target grey lead splashes show up better on black painted iron. I find flat black spray paint is about $1 cheaper a can than colored paint.
But if someone wants to claim that black target = racism, arguing optics and economics would be a waste of time. How about the realistic combat targets with examples of No Shoot a black plainclothes cop with badge on belt holding pistol pointed down and Shoot a white meth head with double barrel at waist level pointed forward? Would that demonstrate a lack of entrenched racism in target design? Or is attempting to persuade closed minds like trying to shake hands with clenched fists?
DustyGmt
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Somebody just thought they were awfully clever making a correlation between the two things and very surprisingly that person made friends...... what an abstract way of looking at it though. I feel like you have to be racist in the first place to think like that....
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