“Bringing a fake gun to a gunfight..."

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Quote "You'd think if they were going to commit a crime they would do it the correct way..."

Nope, See post 23.....

Although, Darwin is still holding his own.

Ignorance can be cured with education. Stupid is forever.
 
"It is a fundamental flaw of human reasoning to assume other people are smart."
M the W
That is a truism if ever there was one! Unfortunately, it is not as self-evident as it should be as the young Vegas burglar proved. I truly have empathy for that homeowner and the "mark of Cain" that he will now have to cope with. He absolutely did the right thing and no doubt his actions were justified; however, one other rather unseemly aspect of human nature to second guess this case despite no direct knowledge of the actual series of events that early morning.
 
“Bringing a fake gun to a gunfight is not a healthy thing to do."

Stated like a true professional. It was nice that they got the opinion of not only a gun owner but a gun dealer. At least this article wasnt twisted in some anti gun slant.
 
Cute scene. Overacted, and a little melodramatic, but cute. In my version, the guy would have just gone on sipping his suds, and told the kids deadpan to get lost before he disassembled them.
 
You can't cure stupid. I once had an employee hide a toy Uzi under his coat and then pull it on me in poor light. The idiot knew I was armed. I swept the Uzi off line as I was drawing my Highpower. He was gobbling. As I was sweeping the Uzi, I realized the inertia was wrong and that it was plastic.

If I hadn't made contact with that 'Uzi;' I would have shot him. If I hadn't owned an Uzi and thus been familiar with its mass; I would have shot him.

Dumb guy but his father was spot on when he nicknamed his son...Hammerhead.

I surely hope there was a beating underway.
 
LOL, now thats funny stuff right there. Been a while since ive seen an article that was both good, and funny. A pellet gun, come on for a few bucks more a Hi-point could be had, LOL to good.
 
If you point a gun at someone, threatening their life, you should expect them to do everything in their power to exercise self-preservation. I have NO sympathy for that guy. :mad: My only sympathy goes to the poor CCW holder that had to go through Cross Examination during the legal battle afterwards.
 
Shaking my head in disbelief

Duh, article said that:
Capt. Guy Turner of the Westlake Police Department said the toy gun was recovered at Columbia and Westood roads, where Saah, 21, was stopped by police and later shot.

Established the "gun" was a toy, every toy gun I have ever owned or seen they were incapable of firing a cartridge.

Jurcak, 33, was shot in his left foot during the gunfire. At the time of the shooting, police were unsure if he was shot by Saah or if Jurcak accidentally shot himself. Turner said the entire incident is still under investigation.

Then the reporter goes on to state that (officer )Jurcak either shot himself or Saah shot him in the foot???

Now I really wonder who the dumb one is, Saah or the reporter.
 
police were unsure if he was shot by Saah or if Jurcak accidentally shot himself.

Now I really wonder who the dumb one is, Saah or the reporter.

Or Jurcac. Or the cops who are "unsure".

I'm voting "All of the above". They can't figure this one out, yet they are in charge of investigating society's crimes.

Rock and a hard spot for the cops on this one.

1) Admit you were inept enough to shoot yourself, or 2)blame it on the guy with a toy gun?

Hmmmm. I guess this needs investigation.

We'll let you know the outcome at some point in the near future.
 
Duke of Doubt said:
Cute scene. Overacted, and a little melodramatic, but cute. In my version, the guy would have just gone on sipping his suds, and told the kids deadpan to get lost before he disassembled them.

It's from the movie Snatch, and the whole movie is like that. Well worth watching if you haven't seen it before. If you have, I'm preaching to the choir.

It's easily one of my favorite movies.
 
Doubly unforunately, we, as a species, have advanced technologically and societally to the point where natural selection does not weed out many of the stupid individuals. This means that society, on a whole, is, in fact, becoming more stupid.
Well said, Mike.
Just today, in Cleveland, some guy was shot dead by police while doing a robbery with a fake gun.
(edit) Oops, got the date wrong, same incident mentioned above.
 
What really doesn't make sense is if you know you have a fake gun why would you even THINK about pointing it at the police?
 
What does "NSFW" stand for?

Not Safe For Work. Basically, it's a warning that there is some unsavory content in the link, in this case, bad language and violence.
 
I'm not sure about the Ohio law as stated earlier. I know of someone (went to the same H.S.) who used a BBgun and he got the gun specification 100% sure of it. Maybe it has changed since 1996-97?, but last I knew all you had to do was make reference or a showing and weather its a piece of wood, finger, etc. It just became a gun at sentencing!

The worst part of the whole thing is he was just 18 years old. Those are hard years....... (Don't confuse with a desire to change that.)

I always wondered how bad it could have been had there been an armed guard or off-duty cop, etc. That BB gun wouldn't have done him any favors!
 
In Ohio, a pellet/air soft gun doesn't qualify as a firearm, so many BG's choose one of these for robberies to avoid the three year gun spec on the underlying charge.

That's not true. You use anything perceived as a gun in the commission of a crime and are found guilty you'll go to prison. The gun specification is always served first then the rest of the charges follow. That way the weapon specification will be three years flat time then the rest of the sentences. (This keeps the guy from accumulating "good time" until after the gun spec). I also know of one instance where the bank robber pulled a pellet gun during a NCB robbery. He died at the scene, shot by two cops.
 
You won't believe this one. Years ago, in my wilder days, I was preparing for a camping trip. I had a tent, a hatchet, a sleeping bag, and a wrist rocket(sling shot) in my trunk. I went to a local hang out to gather a few friends and some mood enhancing substance. I had no luck, but was going out to the woods anyways. Upon leaving the parking lot, I was stopped by LEO, who almost immediately had several backup cars present and had me covered with his side arm. They searched my car, and charged me with possession of a concealed weapon(hatchet), illegal possession of a FIREARM(sling shot), and possession of marijuana(a bent piece of copper pipe that smelled funny). I hired a lawyer, who laughed uncontrollably at these charges. The hatchet was dropped by the judge immediately due to the fact that it was in my trunk with other camping gear, the pipe thing was dropped when my lawyer asked to see the "marijuana" and the police provided a plastic bag with a piece of copper pipe in it(the judge was getting a little pissed at this point) and even though local ordinances DO consider a sling shot a fire arm, in light of the other issues, the judge dismissed the whole thing. It cost me a night in jail, and $600 for a lawyer, but well worth it since a public pretender would have just plea bargained and still left me with a record that could possibly prevented me from having an actual gun someday.
 
Classic scene from a wonderful movie....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s376ZbPG-OM

have not laughed that hard in a long time. That scene was awesome.

Funny, but foolish movie gibberish.

In a place were firearms are prohibited or heavily restricted it is quite common for individuals to convert (or attempt to convert) replicas into working firearms. At least being capable of a single shot. Sure they could just use many other metalic objects for the task, but they often prefer things that actualy look like a real gun.
Assuming a metalic gun will not shoot because it was once a replica is dangerous.
In a place with firearm restrictions it is also not unlikely that some replica parts will be used to fix or repair actual firearms if they will work.

If someone pointed a blank firing or replica gun at me in the UK I would assume it was modified to actualy shoot something. Choosing to show his gun and rely on his assumption rather than firing was purely theatrical.
Of course the whole scene was.
 
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