1 out of 2 armed in Orlando? Then the article gets wierd. Gun bounty progarm?

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1 In 2 Men In Downtown Orlando Have Guns On Weekends, Police Vet Says
Many Weapons Stolen From Gun Stores

POSTED: 8:45 am EDT August 23, 2007
UPDATED: 9:24 am EDT August 23, 2007


ORLANDO, Fla. -- Guns are so prevalent in Orlando that 50 percent of the young men in the downtown area on weekends are carrying them or have access to them in a vehicle, according to a 20-year police veteran.

"There are always guns involved, in just about every call," Orlando police veteran Derwin Bradley said. "Out of every two guys walking down the street, one of them will have a gun."

Bradley said he has to assume most of the young men are armed.


"You have to assume (most are carrying guns) if you want to stay alive out here in this job," Bradley said. "Last weekend we took a guy down here on the corner and he had a gun under his shirt and he had been in a club."

Police opened up a large locker filled with AK-47s, shotguns and other guns seized in Orlando and surrounding cities in July.

Investigators said most of the guns are coming from gun store smash-and-grab crimes in Orange County.

"A great deal of it can be attributed to some gun store burglaries we suffered in Orange County within the past year," Orange County sheriff's Sgt. Jimmy Hernandez said. "Unfortunately, some stores were leaving guns out in the open, so it was an easy target. Now, they are doing a better job of securing them."

Several times this year thieves have backed a truck through walls of gun shops and looted businesses.

A member of the sheriff's organized crime squad said most of the stolen guns end up on the streets.

"When you hear about a gun store being burglarized and 100 guns stolen, certainly that increases your fear level," Hernandez said.

Authorities said serial numbers found on seized guns show that many of the stolen weapons stay in Central Florida, WKMG-TV reported.

A new Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms task force is hoping to slow the surge in violent crime.

"I can assure you that we've initiated the violent crime impact team here, which consists of Orange County (sheriffs) and the Orlando Police Department," AFT representative Russ May said. Let's give it a chance. As there is a surge in violent crime, sometimes it takes law enforcement time to catch up to that surge."

The city of Orlando has a gun bounty program. Anyone with information about someone using a gun illegally is urged to call Crimeline at 800-423-TIPS.

Watch Local 6 News for more on this story.


Copyright 2007 by Internet Broadcasting Systems and Local6.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
 
"You have to assume (most are carrying guns) if you want to stay alive out here in this job," Bradley said. "Last weekend we took a guy down here on the corner and he had a gun under his shirt and he had been in a club."


So what's your point, Chief Wiggum?:confused: We carry guns into clubs, pubs, taverns, and watering holes up here and it's not a problem. So, the guy had a gun? What's his crime?:confused:
 
Interesting statistics,

I in 2 "young" men carry a gun downtown on the weekend (that's an immediate re-write of the headline that apparently stated "1 In 2 Men In Downtown Orlando Have Guns On Weekends, Police Vet Says". Let's say that is 10,000 men, a gross underestimate. Equals 5,000 guns

Yet "most" of these guns come from gun store robberies. They must have some really significant gun store robberies in Orlando. Let's say 75% (that's most) of the guns come from robberies. Boy, that's 3750 guns.

The police should be doing something about this crime wave. Perhaps each gun store should be allocated a police officer on guard 24 hours per day?
 
That is good officer safety thinking.

thats bad civil rights thinking.

CJ major in me says, yes, officer safety is a top priority

the Libertarian in me says officers need to seperates thinking you are armed, and treating you as a criminal, armed or not. we are still American Citizens and deserve the upmost respect until its proven we commited a crime.

in conclusion. last i checked. its "Protect and Serve" and as such there should be some risks involved on the officers end to ensure civil rights. elsewise your not really serving, your mastering

obviously not all cops are bad about it, and i thank them for that. but for those that are it should be totaly unacceptable
 
Hoppy, gotta disagree with you. Unfortunately, since the reporter is apparently such a doofus and poor writer, the whole concept seems lost on some of you. The local gendarmerie there is concerned about the plethora of stolen handguns carried illegally by persons committing criminal acts to which the police are responding -- I don't see anything in the article where the cops are impugning the rights of law-abiding citizens to carry their own concealed weapons.

Most CPL/CHL/CCW holders tend to be law abiding (as El Tejon points out above) and therefore, aren't part of the sorts of problems police encounter as in the article.
 
I wanna see this officer's data on how he determined just how many people are carrying guns at any given time. Does he pat down every guy he sees under a certain age? Or does he just have X-ray vision?

Harumph.
 
I loved the logical fallacy. One in two people that this officer encountered while investigating calls was carrying a firearm. That means that one in two people who were suspected of something or who otherwise drew the attention of the police was armed.

That's a far cry from being one out of every two people is carrying a firearm.
 
It' actually more BS than that.

This is one person who THINKS that 50% are armed, not even 50% of stop and checks are armed. What we in the trade call a WAG, Wild Assed Guess.

No proof, empirical or otherwise, no seperation from legal or otherwise, hells teeth I would suggest that that 50% probably alos includes the LEO's.....

And why the weekends so critically, does that mean the nefarious individuals hold down actual jobs and only strap on at the weekend.

Then to re-inforce the message the reporter gets show the traditional locker of EBR's.....I hope he means armoury locker and not Sgt Costanza's personal cache at work.....:D

Complete xxxxxxxxx (insert profanity of choice)
 
Going to try very hard to stay on the High Road here...

1 In 2 Men In Downtown Orlando Have Guns On Weekends,

So? I personally don't care if all men have guns on weekends or none do. That's their personal choice.

Police Vet Says
Many Weapons Stolen From Gun Stores

POSTED: 8:45 am EDT August 23, 2007
UPDATED: 9:24 am EDT August 23, 2007

Well there's a big surprise, guns are stolen from places that have a supply of guns. Where do they expect stolen guns to come from, plumbing supply warehouses? Maybe a lot of stolen jewelery comes from jewelry stores? Nah too logical.

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Guns are so prevalent in Orlando that 50 percent of the young men in the downtown area on weekends are carrying them or have access to them in a vehicle, according to a 20-year police veteran.

Okay and?

"There are always guns involved, in just about every call," Orlando police veteran Derwin Bradley said. "Out of every two guys walking down the street, one of them will have a gun."

I wonder how many hours of statistical analysis have gone into determining this. Notice the article takes this "guesstimate", this opinion, and seems to present it as a fact. And even if it's true, who cares if people have guns? Let's worry about people misusing guns.

I'd wager over 90% of those same men have a penis, should we get worried rape is going to skyrocket?

Bradley said he has to assume most of the young men are armed.

"You have to assume (most are carrying guns) if you want to stay alive out here in this job," Bradley said. "Last weekend we took a guy down here on the corner and he had a gun under his shirt and he had been in a club."

Well if someone is committing or has committed a criminal act, I can't say it's a bad idea to assume they're dangerous.

Police opened up a large locker filled with AK-47s,

:rolleyes:

Yeah I bet. Every gun a reporter can't recognize is an AK-47.

shotguns and other guns seized in Orlando and surrounding cities in July.

Investigators said most of the guns are coming from gun store smash-and-grab crimes in Orange County.

"A great deal of it can be attributed to some gun store burglaries we suffered in Orange County within the past year," Orange County sheriff's Sgt. Jimmy Hernandez said. "Unfortunately, some stores were leaving guns out in the open, so it was an easy target. Now, they are doing a better job of securing them."

The implication here is that it's the gun stores' fault the guns were stolen, not the criminals'.

Several times this year thieves have backed a truck through walls of gun shops and looted businesses.

Well... what the heck can you do about that? I bet the same tactic has been used to rob any number of places. Guns are small, expensive, and in demand much like electronics or jewelry. They're ripe targets.

A member of the sheriff's organized crime squad said most of the stolen guns end up on the streets.

"When you hear about a gun store being burglarized and 100 guns stolen, certainly that increases your fear level," Hernandez said.

Authorities said serial numbers found on seized guns show that many of the stolen weapons stay in Central Florida, WKMG-TV reported.

A new Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms task force is hoping to slow the surge in violent crime.

"I can assure you that we've initiated the violent crime impact team here, which consists of Orange County (sheriffs) and the Orlando Police Department," AFT representative Russ May said. Let's give it a chance. As there is a surge in violent crime, sometimes it takes law enforcement time to catch up to that surge."

The city of Orlando has a gun bounty program. Anyone with information about someone using a gun illegally is urged to call Crimeline at 800-423-TIPS.

Watch Local 6 News for more on this story.


Copyright 2007 by Internet Broadcasting Systems and Local6.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

While this article isn't nearly as bad as many, the bias is still obvious.
 
A new Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms task force is hoping to slow the surge in violent crime.

Well then why doesn't this task force leave guns and gun-owners out of the equation and instead have a word or two with the local parole board, judges, and DAs that are constantly releasing violent thugs early from prison due to 'good behaviour,' plea bargains, etc. The vast majority of violent crimes are committed by thugs with extensive criminal records.
TASK FORCE THAT...
 
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