Say that has stopped you before with a straight face.
Well, if I consider the fact that I...…………… nevermind.
Heh, cause we are what we are. It's a really nice weapon in a cool caliber........and it is calling your name.
Ain't that the dang truth of it right there. Seems when you're interested, you're very interested. Reloading has only opened the door wider for me.
I do enjoy shooting most of my guns. Seems the more variety I have the happier I am. I think I'm just struggling a bit because it seems I've hit that point where I am more concerned about other expenses that will be coming, but a mind needs distractions and passions too. Life isn't JUST about paying bills. Though that's what it feels like lately. So as a result my brain goes into practicality mode, and I tell myself I don't really need any more guns, as I have limited time to shoot and don't really need a bunch of guns sitting around. I shoot more than some folks, but I'm having a crisis of faith. Happens to me every year or so.
I know, I know. I came to the wrong place to find support on that end of things.
It isn't that it has any advantage over the 10mm, it's the advantage it has over the 9mm in the 1911. I want one too...
Yep there's a clear advantage there. I own one 1911 in 45 and while I enjoy shooting it, I've always gravitated more heavily toward Sig designs and a few others. I like my 1911, but I don't see myself owning
a bunch of them. But there's something about 38 Super, and 2 isn't a bunch. I was thinking pure ballistics when I compared it to 10mm auto. I don't think there's anything a 38 Super will do that a 10mm won't do with more authority. But that doesn't change the effectiveness or positive attributes of the 38, especially when you compare it to 9mm.
What I sincerely wish we would see is smaller XDs and Shield sized guns chambered for 38 Super. To me the XDs especially makes perfect sense, since it's already sized for a 45 acp. Recoil would probably be equivalent or close, velocity would be higher than a 9mm, and you'd have the same capacity as a 9mm in the same gun.
The biggest problem as I see it is that 38 Super doesn't have enough of a common following that ammo is affordable or readily available. Popularity remains with folks like us, and there's no reason the manufacturers would produce the gun, knowing it'd be a small interest group at best.
I would have guessed that 38 Super would have had a bigger magazine capacity advantage over a 10mm and certainly a .45?
It does over 45, but only marginally over 10mm in a single stack. If you look at Tanfoglio's offerings you can get 17 round capacity magazines in some of their guns in 38 Super, vs 15 of 10mm. Two rounds may not matter to some folks.
In flush fitting magazines the DW will fit 9, and I believe the same size flush fit magazine in a 1911 will typically get you 7 rounds. Again, it's only a 2 round increase, but when you consider the capability of the 38, it seems a good idea to me.
I'm also a fan of the 38 Super but I do not have any experience with a 10mm M1911.
I actually don't either with a 10mm 1911. My 10mms are Sig P220's. I actually find the ergos on the P220, P239, and P226 a better fit for me than a 1911. I know that's a heresy though, so I don't often say it.
If you like to sort out your own handloads this Is a great gun & caliber combination.
I do load my own, and this gun would most likely never see a factory round fired through it. I'd just buy components.
Either one is a little spendy and brass is hard to come by. You'd most likely shoot your .38 more than any other 1911.
The trick is buying 1000 cases at a time from Starline, and shooting it outdoors in a place you know you can recover your brass. Of course, since flat trajectory is a big plus of the 38, I'd want to shoot it outside at longer distances. So I shouldn't have to worry about anyone sweeping up my brass but me.
Think of it this way - 38 super is to 9mm as 10mm is to .40 S&W.
That's actually a helpful thought. I tend to adhere to the notion also that if I can have the option of more power, and can load my ammo to my own desired specs, then why eliminate that option just due to cost. I can load my own for reasonable prices. Having the ability to load hot is what makes a magnum cartridge useful, and while this may not be a true magnum, the same premise is true.
since the current generations of those guns (unlike Walkalong’s cool old one) are fed with 171 mm long double stack mags,
You know our recent conversation about the CZ Shadow and competition is actually spurring me to question this acquisition, mostly because you got me interested in Tangfos now due to the capacity and ability to slick them up. I could get my hands on a Witness Limited or Stock III a lot cheaper than this DW. I'd nearly double the capacity by doing so, and as you pointed out, the potential application in competition is interesting too.
A 38 1911 is a cool gun but there are more modern options that would be more practical. But it's not always about that. Sometimes it's just a pure want.
But why do I want one or need one if I have 10 mm and 45 ACP already?
That's where I was coming from. When looking at what you can do ballistic ally with a 10mm, and what guns are readily available, the 38 Super isn't terribly relevant outside of competition, even though it's still a kick ass cartridge that I know I'd enjoy. I just don't have a practical need.
45 fills a different role in my mind.
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One other piece of info I left out. My LGS deals in other valuable items as well, and I happen to have such items in my possession. I could essentially trade for the gun and spend no money at all. Current life circumstances makes an old investment no longer terribly relevant, and trading it away for guns that would retain their value seems a better option for a variety of reasons. I spoke to an investment liaison friend of mine who works for a major bank, and he agreed that given my circumstances, my investment probably doesn't make much sense anymore. A gun trade was noted as being decent option.
Having physical objects to sell in a dire situation is a good thing, but tax laws make certain ownership challenging. Guns tend to retain value well if cared for, or increase in value when discontinued. I'm thinking about this in an investment sense also. If making a trade of this type, I'd want a gun I could enjoy, but not beat the snot out of. This would be a fun range gun, and one I could carry in the woods. I would think with proper care it would retain reasonable value.
sorry for the long post. Mind is moving in many directions on this.
