165+P or 185+P in 45 ACP?

[DAVIDSDIVAD]

Specialty ammo? Do you mean carry ammo - self defense ammo? It's common everyday ammo to most of us. We practice with it and carry it. We also shoot ball ammo from time to time when plinking.

And I know enough about statistics and scientific method not to take seriously any claim, pro or con, based on 45 shootings with 43 One Stop Shots - the numbers on the Gold Dot line. The sample size is inconsequential. IOW, not big enough to draw a conclusion.

I'm not sure any of those sample sizes are significant, but I'd have to have access to the raw data to tell for certain. Even then, the reports were not made by one observer, so the data could well be skewed.

I suppose one stop shots are important if you only have one shot.

To each their own.

John

So you mean to tell me you shoot $2 per round for practice?

 

[model of 1905]

Im in the heavier vs faster group in all calibers. I dont shoot anything other than 230 gr. whether plinking or for self defense.

JMO

 

[Confederate]

Specialty ammo? Do you mean carry ammo—self defense ammo? It's common everyday ammo to most of us. We practice with it and carry it. We also shoot ball ammo from time to time when plinking.

Well, by specialty ammo I mean ammo that's sold at a substantially higher cost and manufactured to a substantially different criteria than standard ammo. Whether it be Hydra-Shok, Gold Dot, Golden Saber or Glaser Safety Slugs, they are not ammunition that can be used extensively for practice (unless you're a lot better off than I am). Your non-specialty stuff is FMJ, JHP and the such. This is the stuff you store for doomsday and hope you never need. Specialty ammo is what you carry but don't generally shoot.

 

[JohnBT]

"So you mean to tell me you shoot $2 per round for practice?"

It wasn't $2 a round when I bought it. I have lots of ammo including a bunch of Georgia Arms Gold Dots; started stocking up for retirement 7 or 8 years ago. I shoot $15 a box rimfire some days and Win and Fed .38 Spec. wadcutters on others. Sure, I have inexpensive ammo too, but that's only half of what I shoot.

And don't get me started on the cost of replacing the 28 ga. shells I shoot. AA-HS isn't $3.49 a box like it was when I started storing it up.

I should quit buying, sell some of this stuff, and retire. That's it, retire and start reloading.

John

 

[orionengnr]

Well, I don't go out and buy the latest, but if it ends up being viable/promising, I'll pay a premium for good ammo.

My two current .45acp choices are Winchester Ranger 230+p and the Barnes X-bullet as loaded by Cor-Bon (DPX 185 gr) and Taurus (TCB 185).

The new HST load is looking good and I may spring for some one day soon...however, I'll have to buy a fair amount, to make sure my carry .45s like it. Buying an amount of anything these days is...a proposition. May have to hold off for a bit. Fortunately, I'm pretty well stocked in the above-mentioned loads.

 

[orionengnr]

From THE self-proclaimed authority on stopping power:

There...fixed it for you. BTW, there is no shortage of them.

 

[mljdeckard]

I'll add this to the list of reasons I don't carry compact guns. The ammo was designed to work a certain way at a certain velocity. And while I trust Corbon more than just about any other entity on the idea, I would rather just use the gun as it was designed, 5", 230 gr, 875 fps, standard pressure. I have yet to see a cartridge outperform the 230 gr HST JUST LIKE THIS.

I think +P ammo is trying to solve problems that either don't exist, or should be solved by using another cartridge.

 

[dsj]

shoot whatever gives you confidence.i like heavy bullets because i feel i can put them where they need to go.

 

[AWD]

You all are probably already familiar with this website, but I just found it and it has some good info. They did a few tests with a 3.8" barrel using 200 +P and regular 230 (Speer Gold Dot.) Looks like good penetration and expansion all things considered. This ammo is tested with a 5" barrel, as per Speer's website, but it looks like it works pretty good at 3.8"

http://www.brassfetcher.com/Various%20.45ACP%20JHPs%20(test%202).html

AWD

 

[BlindJustice]

Getting back atcha....

AWD, in my post towards the start of this thread,
I referred to the CorBon Conventional JHPs not the DPX
line which uses the Barnes XPB HP solid copper bullets.

Thanks for the post about the Speer Gold Dots.... makes
since I carry the Double Tap +P 200 gr. GDs @ 1,125 FPS.

FYI - Guess the heaviest load I have in relation to the
above is .45 Auto Rim 225 gr. Barnes XPB HP @ 944 FPS
out of a 625 5" Bbl.

Randall