1911 in 9mm

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Most $800 1911 pistols aren't patterned after a Series 80. Kimber, Sig, S&W all have a firing pin block, but it's not the same as Colt.

Dan Wesson, Wilson Combat, Nighthawk, Ed Brown, and many many others have no firing pin block.

You can't use price as an example.
 
Personally, if I was in the market for a 1911 right now, I'd be looking seriously at a Rock Island or Taurus.

With the $800 plus guns, odds are that they are patterned after a series 80 colt. Meaning that they have some sort of internal plumbing to serve as a firing pin block. A safety feature.

The inexpensive models I’ve seen, like the ones from Armscor, ...
Taurus has a Series 80 style firing pin safety.
 
Most $800 1911 pistols aren't patterned after a Series 80. Kimber, Sig, S&W all have a firing pin block, but it's not the same as Colt.

You can't use price as an example.
SIG uses a Colt style Series 80 firing pin safety. It is true Kimber and S&W don't. Kimber uses a Swartz style and S&W uses a Mochak designed firing pin safety on their 1911's with a firing pin safety.
 
Hence, my use of the words “meaning that they have some sort of internal plumbing to serve as a firing pin block.” I was generalizing. The point was that there are differences. Geez.
 
I have an STI Trojan 9mm 1911 and I can shoot it alongside my other nines including my BHP’s, CZ’s, Sigs, Glocks, and HK’s and tell you the STI is probably the best shooting 9mm I own.

And the STI Staccato P with the Gen 2 17 & 20 round magazines is just about the only new model gun that I want right now. I had a chance to try one out back during the holidays and therefore I want one.
 
Unlike Colt, the Kimber firing pin block doesn't affect the trigger pull. It's operated by depressing the grip safety.
It's a nice, straight forward system too.

The only weirdness I feel is when I tuned my action, the firing pin bloc was a third blip in a smoothly rearward moving slide after the disconnector and the cocked hammer.

Two are knowns for the 1911 platform and the third is just about as inconsequential but was notable.

No one needs to pooh-pooh me on it. I'm not saying it's a problem - just different and quite acceptable for the safety improvement that doesn't queer the trigger-feel in any way whatsoever.

An alternative method that I wish Colt's had used before it was patent locked by Kimber.


Todd.
 
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It's a nice, straight forward system too.

The only weirdness I feel is when I tuned my action, the firing pin bloc was a third blip in a smoothly rearward moving slide after the disconnector and the cocked hammer.

Two are knowns for the 1911 platform and the third is just about as inconsequential but was notable.

No one needs to pooh-pooh me on it. I'm not saying it's a problem - just different and quite acceptable for the safety improvement that doesn't queer the trigger-feel in any way whatsoever.

An alternative method that I wish Colt's had used before it was patent locked by Kimber.


Todd.

Colt originally used the Swartz system. The patent was not held by Kimber. They did not design it or patent it. William Swartz designed and patented it in 1937. Colt started using it in 1938. They did not use it got very long. IIRC 3-4 years. In the 80s when they wanted to ad a firing pin block they looked at the Swartz system and what became the 80 series. They of course chose the 80 series.

Kimber started using the Swartz system it in 2001.
 
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Colt originally used the Schwartz system. ... William Swartz designed and patented it in 1937. ... the Schwartz system ...

Kimber started using the Schwartz system it in 2001.
Your patent information is correct.

However, since, as you accurately mention, it was designed by William Swartz, it is a Swartz firing pin safety, or Swartz System and not a Schwartz System. It is after all, the guys name.

Swartz

 
Your patent information is correct.

However, since, as you accurately mention, it was designed by William Swartz, it is a Swartz firing pin safety, or Swartz System and not a Schwartz System. It is after all, the guys name.

Swartz



Yes mental slip or typo. Dealers choice. :)
 
I'm a low roller, so I purchased an ATI Commander model. It is the GI version. Shot 115gr well. Changed out to a full guide rod. Started having issues, but I also changed over to 124 gr ammo at the same time. The gun started jamming, so I switched back to 115gr. No issues with that weight bullet. I prefer 124gr ammo, so I just couldn't accept the 1911 only shooting 115gr ammo. I changed out springs, but it didn't work. Finally, I obtained a variable recoil spring- from Wolff springs- (the first replacement was conventional), and wallah, it fires without jamming. I have several other ATI's but they are all 45acp firearms. No issues whatsoever with that caliber. The 9mm on the other hand, needed some work. Still for 379.00, I don't regret it one bit. Especially since, with the mods it's still less than 410. Plus,I like to tinker with stuff.
 
Too much is made of series 80 vs 70. Nothing to get hung up on. To me, it is not relevant. I have both and can shoot ragged holes with either. Not an issue at all. It is about the shooter.
 
This 1911 (9mm) topic is what led me to discover the 'very existence' of the S&W 59 series, notably the 3rd Gen. (superb): mostly they are the 5906 and the 6906, both in 9mm.
Cleaning my friend's S&W 1911 prompted this-----------

These 3rd. Gen. (DA/SA) S&Ws Feel like a heavy 1911 in 9mm except for the double-stack. Approx $500. Bought one today and in a strange manner (weight, length, some similar components), they satisfy my urge to own a 1911.
 
I have a 5906. I have multiple 1911's. I have a Remington double stack 1911 in 9mm.

I don't think the 5906 feels ANYTHING like a 1911. No grip safety, no slide mounted safety, SA/DA trigger that pivots.
 
I started as many with a 1911 in the immortal .45 acp, many years ago the steel challenge ping ping noise got me caught but I decide to left my venerable CZ75b at home and try the 9 in another format.
So 1911 Colt in 9 came up and have issues with original mags, BassPro after 2 months of waiting gave me back the money,
by that time SA surface with offer of 4 extra mags and some gear.
Added some extra thin Aluma grips and extremely happy with trigger ever since.
Here the twins.
 

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