22 Kills More People a Year Than Any Other Caliber

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I just read this "22 Kills More People a Year Than Any Other Caliber" in a Gunsamerica email review of a Keltec P32. I investigated shootings in a big city and this does not add up. Does anybody have hard statistics on this claim?
 
Sorry, I don't know about hard stats one way or the other, but for any given year, if .22 does kill more than any other caliber, then it is because there are just more .22 lr out there and a lot of those deaths are likely accidental/negligental.

If .22 lr does cause more deaths per year, you can also bet that .22 lr victims survive much more often than from other, more powerful calibers as well. Again, this is because the volume of .22s out there.

Also see...
http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2006/04/22-long-rifle-for-self-defense.html
 
First off, a .22 never killed anyone. However, people have been killed with a .22.



I've been to a lot of shootings and a lot of murders and I can't recall .22's ever being present. Lots of 9mm, .45's, some .32's, and some .380's, but I can't ever recall a .22 being used. Even in drive-bys.
 
I dunno about everywhere/all the time. Last Summer here locally saw 2 guys killed on the spot 1 shot .22 lr...one was a bad guy and one was a good guy. I only know details of the good guy getting shot. The bullet penetrated the sternum, both lungs, the aorta and lodged in the upper (cervical) part of the spine.

Witnesses say he dropped like a rock and never moved after that. The BG shooting I have no detail on other than he was shot at arms length and died on the spot. Not the best caliber for one shot stops but it happens. How many shootings there were total and how many were with .22's I do not know.

VooDoo
 
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This is fairly recent, but applies only to California.

Not really even to California. The report relies on information collected by the state Department of Forensic Servies and data voluntarily submitted to them. Most municipalities use their own forensic labs and don't submit the data those local labs collect. The list by caliber in their report also only specifies caliber for ALL firearms used in crime. It doesn't list them by caliber for homicides. Only about 1/5 of the total firearms were used in homicides, so the data by caliber is pretty meaningless for the number of people killed by .22 firearms.
 
I've hearing that stat at least 30 years. And 30-40 years ago was probably true. I'm not so sure it is accurate today. According to Sam's link for California 9mm is 1st with 22, 380, and 40 S&W in a virtual tie for 2nd place. I'd expect similar numbers nationally.

Years ago cheap Saturday night specials in 22 and 38 were far more commonly used. It seems everyone has upgraded including bad guys.
 
Many years ago (30?) it was often said the .25 had killed more people during crimes than any other round. It made a sort of sense, in that the tiny guns got carried an awful lot in those pre-CCW days. As an LEO, I believe I encountered more Raven .25's than any other single type of gun.

Larry
 
It has always been said that there are more deaths resulting from 22 rimfire shootings than any other. But that may well be folklore.
 
First off, a .22 never killed anyone. However, people have been killed with a .22.



I've been to a lot of shootings and a lot of murders and I can't recall .22's ever being present. Lots of 9mm, .45's, some .32's, and some .380's, but I can't ever recall a .22 being used. Even in drive-bys.

Watch a TV show called The First 48. They follow around real police investigation in real time. In several episodes, there have been either drive-bys, robberies, domestic violence related, and drug and gang related murders where a 22lr hand gun has been used.

Adam Lanza killed his mom with a 22lr...
 
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While working as a LEO in the Compton/Watts area in the 1980's I handled about 15-20 homicides where .22's were used. It was a common caliber gang members and family to kill a relative. Most were close up several shots to the body. Not that other calibers were not used but the .22 was common, and did the job. Murders in that area were very common with one occuring at least weekly if not more often. I often carry a .22 in my pocket with cci stingers. I also will carry a 9mm or 45acp depending where I go. So I can say for a fact the little .22 with a good placed shot(s) can and will kill a human. This isn't stat's but facts.
 
This was reported quite frequently back in the eighties, and may well have been true then (excluding LE and military shootings.)

But that was before the 9mm pistols flooded the private market to the tune they did. I doubt the .22LR plays the role it once did.
 
From what I found, there are almost twice as many 22lr thefts than there are 9mm. Another factor is the $100 Saturday Night Specials that are still being sold in high numbers. Also, everyone is only looking at "in the commission of a crime" stats. What about justifiable homicides, and even accidental deaths?

Until I got into tag along real-time police investigation shows Like The Shift, The First 48, DateLine, etc, I would not have guessed that 22lr were used as much as they are in accual shootings. I searched, but the only recent data in from 2011 that only pertains to California, and that data does not show deaths. It only shows what firearms were used in crimes, like robberies or pistol whippings, but may have not resulted in any death or discharge from the firearm.

What I found from actual cases, instead of relying on hearsay, hypothesis, and ballistic data, is that when someone is shot in their vital organs with a 22lr or any other caliber, many of then die regardless of the caliber. I've seen video footage where people were shot by various calibers, and in some cases, they were able to communicate and functioned for a while before later succumbing to their wounds either on the scene or at the hospital. Some that were shot by 40cals were able to run door to door begging for help before dying... I think stopping power relative to shot placement, and the physical characteristics of the person shot. Someone shot in the heart with a 9mm/40 may drop on the spot, and others may keep moving...
 
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The popularity of Jennings, Bryco, Lorcin and Raven 22s and 25s, and small 22/32/38 revolvers is not because of the high quality of manufacture and reliability -- they are cheap and even with the run up in price so is the ammo. Big plus that they are also small and light weight, so sticking one in your pocket is easy. For people with not a lot of cash they make a lot of sense. Of course lots of crime is centered around poor neighborhoods. Would say that has more to do with the prevalence in criminal use than anything else.

BTW not to change subjects - Saturday Night Special is a derogatory term made up by politicians of the 60's and 70's to gets guns from the hands of certain minority groups by making them unaffordable. Couldn't legally say "guns must cost $X or more", so instead came up with melt point tests to weed out the cheapies in the name of product safety. Google history of the phrase for a little insight. Sad that it's become common lexicon. Assault weapons was the next one that seems to be sticking.
 
Well a lot of people already own a .22 of some sort or another. When things go sour you grab what you have and use it. Used for good or bad if it is available already it beats waiting to get something more appropriate. A .22 may not be the best choice for SD but it is certainly better than a fork!;)
 
This claim has been around forever. It's always sounded phony as a $3 bill to me.
 
I don't know if the .22 kills more people. I do know that what you have to pay for them these days makes me feel like they are killing me! :eek:What the hell is wrong with this country that .22s are so outrageously priced?:fire:
 
As an LEO, I believe I encountered more Raven .25's than any other single type of gun.

Guilty as charged on this. I was told by local LEO's I was crazy NOT to carry a gun with me a long time before the CCW laws became popular. I bought my Raven .25 in the mid to late 1970's. It fits in your back pocket and prints like it's a billfold. That was a big reason they were popular along with the ridicuously low price. I was a college student at the time with zero spending money but I had just sat through my first armed robbery (as a victim of course) and I decided it was better to be in jail than dead. I rarely carried it but in certain situations I would. I never had reason to use it at least not when I had it. I learned after my second armed robbery experience that guns don't do you much good if you don't have them with you.

The Raven and some others like it WAS the Saturday night special. The term was invented to describe that class of guns. Cheap and available were the things that scared politicians to death. I guess they cared more about their rears than they did ours. They certainly had protection but people without money - no protection for you. A lot of it was no doubt racial (and I'm not one to cry "racism" at the drop of a hat). Those were the guns poor people had so naturally they were unfit for use by anyone especially black people who were using them too often even back then.

BTW .25 ammo was not cheap at all even back then. It cost more for 50 rounds of .25 than it cost for 2000 rounds of .22LR. But that was the best pistol for concealed carry in those days IMO because it looked so much like you were carrying a wallet instead of a gun. I do not support people breaking laws to carry guns. But back then honest people were sitting ducks too often (been there) and there was no legal way of being ready for problems. Now there is of course. I understood it more back then than I do now. There's no excuse for not getting a CCW these days.

Meanwhile back at the OP's question. I've always wondered how it is that .22's kill more people yet I have never known of anyone being killed by one. I know of several people who were killed with other caliber guns including 7.62 x 39 and .centerfire pistol ammo. I know people that have been shot by .22's (pretty much all of them shot themselves by accident) but not one of them died from it. I'm not saying it doesn't happen or that the stats are wrong about how many die from it. It just seems very odd that of all the people I know of that were killed by guns not one was killed by a .22. And I have known several and known of quite a few. Go figure. It does make me wonder.
 
Well the number of people shot with 22's has to go down being bigfoot is seen more often then 22 ammo
 
I would like to get some CCI stingers but can t even find the obiquitous bulk ammo .
 
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