22 mag from 6.5 handgun or 22lr from 16 rifle?

[KodeFore]

I am wanting an inexpensive light pack gun. ( pack gun/truck gun/ canoe gun / plinker ) I have pretty much narrowed my search down to either the Henry Survival rifle or a heritage arms rough rider that comes with the 2 cylinders for 22lr and 22 mag. I think I would be satisfied with minute of pop can accuracy out to around 25 yards. So what I am wondering is how 22 mag from the 6.5 inch revolver compares to 22lr from the 16 inch rifle? I am also contemplating the ruger charger but that is is a bit over budget. I want to stay under 250. ( If some one wants to bring up the papoose or the 10 22 take down I think they are both nice and I have both already, but I am looking for something that will better fit an average day pack ) Thanks.

 

[silicosys4]

I have one of the Henry survival rifles, as made by charter arms.
Mine won't hit a pop can at 25 yards with any regularity. The sights are just too primitive and the trigger is too heavy and gritty. It's pretty much a sub 10 yard gun IME, and is not really fun to plink with because it's akward to hold, the charging handle is a tiny nub, it can be ammo sensitive, and the accuracy is unimpressive.
Haven't shot a heritage RR, but I know my single six is more accurate, handier, easier to keep ready for use, and smaller than the survival rifle.
Not to mention you don't have to worry about losing or breaking magazines.

It won't float though if you drop it in a river.

 

[Furncliff]

fps out of a S & W M-48 with 6 inch barrel

CCI 50 grain hp : 1,135 low , 1,271 high , 136 es , 46 sd , 1,214 ave
Federal 50 grain hp : 1,151 low , 1,257 high , 106 es , 29 sd , 1,190 ave
Hornady 30 grain : 1,516 low , 1,683 high , 167 es , 42 sd , 1,613 ave
Winchester 40 grain hp : 1,303 low , 1,470 high , 167 es , 48 sd , 1,382 ave

Stole this from the net. Original poster please don't hunt me down.


.22lr

http://www.cci-ammunition.com/products/detail.aspx?
use=1&loadNo=0047


Reading about the Heritage on rimfirecentral.com, they seem well liked. The pistol will be handier and smaller.

 

[Ed Ames]

I have read that the current Henry Repeating Arms version is better than older versions, and are actually decent guns.

However...

If you keep your eyes open you can find a single six W/ both cylinders for about the price of a new Rough Rider. That's what I'd do.

 

[chicharrones]

Here are some numbers a friend of mine and myself came up with a month or two ago. All is .22WMR. From a thread in another forum. http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=574125

Zastava Mini Magnum 16.25" bbl

Hornady VMax 30 grain = 2359, 2287, 2322 fps
Remington 40 grain PSP = 1996, 1880, 1885 fps
Winchester Super X 40 grain JHP = 1907, 1888, 1875 fps


Ruger Single Six 9.5" bbl

Hornady VMax 30 grain = 1683, 1749, 1711 fps
Remington 40 grain PSP = 1461, 1375, 1383 fps
Winchester Super X 40 grain JHP = 1403, 1404, 1295 fps


Henry H001M Lever Action 19.25" bbl

Hornady VMax 30 grain = 2393, 2256, 2324 fps
CCI Choot Em 40 grain JHP = 2035, 2017, 2020 fps
Hornady Critical Defense 45 grain = 1867, 1883, 1801 fps


Keltec PMR 30 4.3" bbl

Hornady VMax 30 grain = 1585, 1572, 1579 fps
CCI Choot Em 40 grain JHP = 1221, 1251, 1236 fps
Hornady Critical Defense 45 grain = 1195, 1330, 1266 fps

 

[HB]

I would avoid the survival rifle if at all possible, they are hard to shoot and at least my friend's Henry version is lacking in the quality department.

The rough rider is equally crappy to be honest. They will work but not for a lifetime. They remind me of the old German import revolvers.


Look into a 22 pistol and practice with it frequently. A ruger is more durable than either of your above choices and more accurate. I wouldn't worry about power so much and 22mag is insanely loud in a pistol.

For that reason alone I wouldn't consider a 22mag in a trail pistol.


HB

 

[bannockburn]

I would also recommend looking for a used Ruger Single Six Convertible (preferably in stainless steel),if you want .22 Magnum capability. Years ago I had what I thought was a pretty decent trail gun. It was a stainless steel Rossi Model 88 revolver in .38 Special and had a 3" barrel and a windage adjustable rear sight. It was small enough (S&W J frame size), and light enough to take everywhere.

 

[jmorris]

I have the convertible single six, only used the .22 mag cylinder a few times. An accurate pistol but you likely would shoot a rifle more accurately unless you add a scope to it (just the nature of pistol sights). They are also not inexpensive. If you do get a .22lr/.22 mag revolver make sure it has adjustable sights.

"Inexpensive and light" sounds like a Henry survival to me, as you already have more expensive and better takedown rifles. The rifle weighs less than the trigger pull it has, mine has always ran perfect though and is more accurate that I thought it would be.

I have a few as well but, more often than not, grab my SBR 10/22 because there is nothing to assemble in order for it to be fired. With some practice one can assemble an AR 7 rifle in just under a half minute.

 

[jrdolall]

I can weigh in on the Heritage and say that mine is a fine shooter and plenty accurate at 25 yards using 22 LR. I have not shot it a great deal with 22 WMR so I can't attest to accuracy with that round. As someone mentioned earlier, the 22 mag is extremely loud out of a pistol.
It is a very good deal at $200 with both cylinders and we shoot mine nearly every time we go shooting.

 

[BSA1]

I aloud choose between the 22 Long Rifle and 22 Magnum cartridge first. I discovered the 22 Magnum a couple of years ago and love it. It way, way out performs any 22 Long Rifle. Of course everything is a trade off. 22 Magnum ammo is more expensive and older.

After deciding on which cartridge meets your needs then start looking a gun (which I also agree would not be either of the ones you listed).

 

[Dave P.]

I don't own one but have shot a friend's Henry for a few hundred rounds.
It's a POS. Given the choice between it and a sharp stick, I'd be looking
the stick over pretty close.
The thing would fail to feed, had very poor accuracy no matter what ammo
was tried in it.
Yes it would float, although in it's case I'm not sure that was a good thing.
Dave P.

 

[bannockburn]

KodeFore

I also wanted to add that I had one of the Charter Arms version of the AR7 Survival Rifle and it was a huge disappointment as far as being a reliable and dependable firearm. Problems with the bolt, magazine, and overall build quality, along with very poor accuracy (when you could get it to work right), would keep me from recommending the gun, even if it's made now by Henry.

 

[psyopspec]

Results courtesy of www.ballisticsbytheinch.com

6" .22 Magnum with 11 different loads ranging from 25-45 gr., FPS ranged 1,454 (Hornady 45 gr Flex Tip expanding) to 1,824 (Hornady 25 gr NTX).

16" .22 LR with 10 different loads ranging in weight from 27-60 gr., FPS ranged 900 (Aguila 60 gr SSS) to 1,398 (Remington 33 gr HVTCHP Yellow Jacket).

 

[rodregier]

Too bad the Browning SA-22 is so expensive even in grade 1. Would seem ideal.

 

[Ed Ames]

I'm tossing this video out here for two reasons:

1) because I think it is worth skipping to about 6:20 and considering the implications for whatever you choose.

2) because the Chiappa badgers are worth considering for the role described. The lil Badger has the sights mounted a bit too low for me so I mounted a red dot on mine. There is also a double Badger with .410 as well.

https://youtu.be/V-EJVPDmMzE

I'd still lean towards a signal six first, but options are good.

 

[jmorris]

The Brownings I have are the highest quality take down .22's I have, also the most valuable. My first firearm is one of them, eventhough it's not perfect as an 11 year old is not always easy on things, I wouldn't use it as a "truck gun".

Some of the Norinco copy's might be cheap enough but I have never played with one to see how close they are to Belgium or Japan made Brownings.

 

[chicharrones]

I am wanting an inexpensive light pack gun. ( pack gun/truck gun/ canoe gun / plinker )

Have you given any though to perhaps a single shot in either rifle or pistol?

I've seen people convert Savage Rascals into pack rifles and I've seen people choose a Chipmunk or Crickett pistol for a pack handgun.

An example of the Savage. http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5017437&postcount=22

The Crickett can be had in .22 Magnum. http://www.crickett.com/crickett_22_pistol.php

The Chipmunk can be had in .22 Magnum, too.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...Chipmunk+Hunter+22+Mag+10.5"+1rd+Black+Lam+Wo

 

[Captcurt]

Whats wrong with a Pistol?

My Ruger 22/45 goes with me anytime I am in the field, boat, atv, truck or creek. Shoots better than I am capable of and has been with me so long I feel naked without it.

 

[USAF_Vet]

How about a S&W 22A? Used, I've seen them around $200 or less.

 

[amd6547]

I've owned a few of the Charter AR7's...
Why a few? Because the ones I owned worked so well that when I took someone shooting, they would beg me to sell it to them.
"sub-ten yard"? A pop can at 25yds is easily ventilated, and i have killed squirrel with mine. Last year, one of my friends was at the range with me, shooting an AR7 I sold him years ago. He had put on a scope mount, and added a cheap 3/4" rimfire scope. I watched as he shot a group the size of a softball at 100yds.

 

[chicharrones]

I stumbled upon this year old review of a 7.5" barreled Single Six Hunter which also has a 10/22 Takedown in it.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...review-ruger-new-model-single-six-p320-entry/

 

[Mauser69]

Ammo Cost??

I won't address your choice of guns, but I do want to make sure you think about the cost of shooting them (if it makes any difference to you).

I have a Ruger Single Six convertible with 10" barrel that is supremely accurate and a blast to shoot. I thought at the time I bought it that the .22 WMR cylinder was a great addition. But I'm a cheap SOB, and I think I only bought one box of Mag ammo about 35 years ago, and I still have half of it! Just too danged expensive to shoot unless your target requires that kind of performance, and it is loud enough that you might as well be shooting a bigger caliber. I do all my rabbit hunting with the .22LR. If I was after something bigger, I'd use something bigger.

At today's prices, I can load for my .44 Magnum significantly cheaper than I can purchase .22WMR! So if I want low performance fun shooting, it is either .22LR or .38 Spl reloads. Hunting for anything bigger than rabbit is gonna see the .38/.357 or .44. Can't think of anything that will interest me in paying for .22 WMR.

 

[Onward Allusion]

There's really no comparison in energy between a 22 LR out of a 16" barrel and a 22 Mag out of a 6 inch barrel. The 22 Mag out of a 6 inch will beat the 22 LR out of a 16 inch pretty much every time.

I've had the AR-7 and still have a Heritage RR. The revolver is at hand but the AR-7 takes time to put together. I'd get the RR with the 22LR/22Mag cylinders. If available, try to get the RR with the 9" barrel. A 22 cal bullet at 2,000 fps is nothing to sneeze at.

 

[Apple a Day]

I've had a Heritage RR for many years and put a lot of rounds through it. I even replaced the hammer once when I wore off the sear notch I shot it so much. It's been a good, solid plinker for me and magnum rounds are zippy out of it. You might do a quick search using my name and the caliber. Maxi-mags don't engage the old rifling well but it's really good with standard magnum loads.
At 25 yards I'd prefer a Savage 64, Savage MK-2, Ruger 10-22, or Marlin 60 for accuracy. I got an old Savage years ago for under a C-note, same with the MK2. They're both fun and plenty accurate. If one goes over the side of the canoe you can afford to replace it.

 

[usfan]

I had a henry. I took it on a couple of kayak river trips, but it took up too much room, didn't float, & wasn't that accurate. So i traded it off a few years back, & now take either a 6 7/8 ruger mk iii, or a walther p22. The ruger is very accurate.. more so than the henry rifle. If i had to hunt rabbits or squirrels, it would be great. The walther is smaller, but not as accurate.. at least in my hands. For a day trip, the p22 is fine. On a longer trip, or for survival purposes, i'd take the mk 3.

BTW, if you can carry a rifle broken down, like the henry or 10/22 takedown, you might consider the chiappa double badger. 22lr single shot & 410 in a fold down rifle. I have one, & it is not much bigger than the henry, but much more versatile. Throw a slug or buckshot in the 410 & you have a defensive weapon, too.

edit: ..and, if you want to improve the ballistics even more, get it in 22 wmr & 410. a decent long range rifle, & a shotgun all in one.