Tamara
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Well, there's a whole bunch of dead Iraqis you could ask...
.223 in Iraq. Is it working?
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Scott Evans
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There is always room for pursuing good, better or best as opposed to just settling for adequate. We could do better.
Dejavu
One of the main complaints by U.S. troops were that their rifles were not capable of stopping the determined enemy warriors.
It was in the early part of the last century on the Phillipean Islands when the U.S. was using very powerful .30 caliber military rifles against Phillipean Morrow warriors.
One of the main complaints by U.S. troops were that their rifles were not capable of stopping the determined enemy warriors.
It was in the early part of the last century on the Phillipean Islands when the U.S. was using very powerful .30 caliber military rifles against Phillipean Morrow warriors.
3. If someone gets hit in the left shoulder with a 147 Gr 7.62 bullet, he is not going to die instantly.
There are many documented cases of people being hit with rounds as large as .50 cal bmg. and surviving. Police reports abound with people shot with 12 Ga. slugs (.70 cal.) who were hit more than once and still survived.
There are many documented cases of people being hit with rounds as large as .50 cal bmg. and surviving. Police reports abound with people shot with 12 Ga. slugs (.70 cal.) who were hit more than once and still survived.
True. It all comes down to what bullet is fired from a specific caliber. Supposedly some Spec Ops groups in Afghansistan are using Black Hills ammo in 75 grain (I think) because they have been found to be more effective than the SS109 bullet. A normal FMJ bullet won't do much (but ANY pointed FMJ bullet will yaw after impact at sufficient velocities) but, for example, the West German 7.62 would fragment exactly like the M193 5.56 round- and be far more effective in doing so. Also, if it takes two to three times as many smaller rounds as one bigger round to take down the BG then weight and capacity issues become mute. Besides, it still does come down to accuracy and trigger control- no round will do anything if you can't hit your target!
BTW, I like both calibers with the right bullet....
BTW, I like both calibers with the right bullet....
The 5.56 is proving to be the mother of all cartridges in the mother of all wars that is being slowed down by the mother of all sand storms. This mother of all cartridges isn't to be confused with the mother of all bombs. You can see it in action with the mother of all news coverage on your mother of all television.
Besides, I don't see anyone volunteering to stand down range and let me shoot them with it. The thread is now complete.
Besides, I don't see anyone volunteering to stand down range and let me shoot them with it. The thread is now complete.
Deadman
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Not to side step this particular beaten horse too much -
CZ 75 BD in one market scene in the film Soylent Green there is a sign in a window stating 'Tuesday is Soylent Green day'.
As for having that phrase as a statement, its just a personal comment on where our society is headed (ie 1984/Soylent Green type society).
Now back to the horse whippin' -
Don't forget, the vast majority of military personnel don't know that 5.56Nato is supposed to be nothing more than a varmint round, so the outcry for a calibre change will only ever be from a minority.
CZ 75 BD in one market scene in the film Soylent Green there is a sign in a window stating 'Tuesday is Soylent Green day'.
As for having that phrase as a statement, its just a personal comment on where our society is headed (ie 1984/Soylent Green type society).
Now back to the horse whippin' -
Don't forget, the vast majority of military personnel don't know that 5.56Nato is supposed to be nothing more than a varmint round, so the outcry for a calibre change will only ever be from a minority.
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