.224 62 gr Soft Point Bullet - Help ID Brand?

[Load Master]

I am looking to find the brand and product name of this bullet. Anyone have an idea. It is the first time I've seen soft tip and open tail area. This came in a collection of misalliances bullets for American Reloading. I thought it looked like the Nosler Partition but I can find them with cannelure.

If anyone has a good source for ID'ng bullets online?

 

[au_prospector]

Some sort of spire point/soft point bonded bullet. Considering the source, could be anything from any manufacture and there are hundreds of candidates? At $70 per thousand, I hope you don't think you have something special. They look pulled from a case that was crimped above the cannelure. Could be why they were pulled, maybe rejects?

 

[Load Master]

Some sort of spire point/soft point bonded bullet. Considering the source, could be anything from any manufacture and there are hundreds of candidates? At $70 per thousand, I hope you don't think you have something special. They look pulled from a case that was crimped above the cannelure. Could be why they were pulled, maybe rejects?

I paid just under $50 delivered, not $70. I'm enjoying the selection. Some of them shoot well some not so good.

The one in question shoot nice. That is my primary reason for my question. Not that I do, but what would it matter if I did in fact think I have something special? What's your point?

 

[ants]

Since they are soft point, they are not pulled military bullets. Those would be from commercial ammo. Commercial factory loads often use bullets they manufacture in huge bulk or buy under contract from bullet makers unknown to you and me. Often they are not the same as the bullets made for us to reload. It is doubtful we'll ever identify the brand.

The ring above the cannelure isn't necessarily from a crimp. It could be the collet they used to pull the bullet. No big deal.

Of course, none of that means they aren't good. Weigh and measure them to make sure a different bullet didn't sneak into the bunch. I get that occasionally, a 6mm in the 224 batch or a heavy bullet in the 55 grain batch. Make sure of the size and weight, then go have fun shooting! Good deal, $50. Go have fun!!!

 

[Load Master]

Thanks Ants, I truly am having fun. There are a number of interesting bullets from the set. There are a number of M855, tracer bullets, and many others. I check weights and diameters before loading. Thanks for your input.

 

[au_prospector]

My point simply was at $70 per thousand according to the webpage, and if you got them at 5 cents a bullet even better. At that cost my point is I doubt seriously you have some sort of match grade bullet. But as ants said we will not likely know for sure. If you like them, great! No doubt they tear up tin cans and steel gongs just fine. have at it!

 

[Swampman]

Shooters Pro Shop sometimes sells Partitions with cannalures.

http://www.shootersproshop.com/load...ler-30-180gr-partition-spitzer-blem-50ct.html

The .224 Partitions are generally 60 grains in weight rather than 62, but I've also noticed SPS selling various off weight bullets as blems, usually for a substantial discount.

182 grain E-Tips at $17.95/100
http://www.shootersproshop.com/nosl...182-grain-e-tip-banded-bullets-blem-50ct.html

180 grain E-Tips at $20.95/100
http://www.shootersproshop.com/nosl...180-grain-e-tip-banded-bullets-blem-50ct.html

This is hardly definitive, but your bullets look a lot like Partitions to me, particularly the heel.

Why don't you section one and find out for sure?

How many of those did you get out of the 1000?

 

[Swampman]

I just followed the link and noticed this in the description.

May Include But Not Limited To:

* Hollow Point

* Power Shok Soft Point

* Speer Gold Dot Soft Point

* FMJ

* Nosler Partition Soft Point

* Tracer

* SS-109 Steel Core Penetrator

* Fusion

*Trophy Bonded Bear Claw Soft Point

* Sierra Match King

It's still not definitive, but I feel comfortable saying that the bullets referenced in the first post ARE Nosler Partitions.

Be careful loading any Speer Gold Dots or Federal Fusions. I think you're supposed to use manufacturer specific load data with those bullets.

 

[Load Master]

I just followed the link and noticed this in the description.



It's still not definitive, but I feel comfortable saying that the bullets referenced in the first post ARE Nosler Partitions.

Be careful loading any Speer Gold Dots or Federal Fusions. I think you're supposed to use manufacturer specific load data with those bullets.

There were well over a 1000 bullets in total and of the one in my original post there are about 40. I've shot 10 of them with 20.5gr of H335.

I'll section one just for the fun if it tomorrow. Thanks for the input.

 

[morcey2]

As swampman said, they're most likely partitions. If they're not, you're going to be shooting the core out of the middle of one and leaving the jacket somewhere in the bore. (Watched that happen once when guy wanted to make an expanding bullet out of a FMJ so he cut the tip of the FMJ off to make a hollow point. At least he was smart enough to check the bore when the report didn't sound right.) The only other one that I know of that would have both a soft point and an open base is a Swift A-Frame and I don't think Swift ever made a .224" one.

Matt

 

[KansasSasquatch]

They don't look like Partitions to me. Maybe they occasionally make them with a cannelure but I have yet to see them. And if they are Partitions then the tips have been beat up pretty bad, which would be possible likely if they're pull-downs. .224 Partitions have a more pointy tip with a rounded face. Those bullets in the OP look like they started out with a flat tip that got banged up along the line.

Definitely don't look like Fusions since those tend to have a more pronounced boat tail and a closed base.

 

[Swampman]

They don't look like Partitions to me. Maybe they occasionally make them with a cannelure but I have yet to see them. And if they are Partitions then the tips have been beat up pretty bad, which would be possible likely if they're pull-downs. .224 Partitions have a more pointy tip with a rounded face. Those bullets in the OP look like they started out with a flat tip that got banged up along the line.

Definitely don't look like Fusions since those tend to have a more pronounced boat tail and a closed base.

If they don't look like Partitions, what DO they look like to you?

As for "Maybe they occasionally make them with a cannelure but I have yet to see them."
There's no "maybe" about Nosler making Partitions with cannelures. I posted a link to some on the Nosler factory outlet site.

If that's not good enough for you, check this out:
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/89...remington-60-grain-nosler-partition-box-of-20
If you can't see a cannelure on the 60 grain .224" Nosler Partition in that picture, you should probably consult with an Ophthalmologist.

 

[KansasSasquatch]

If they don't look like Partitions, what DO they look like to you?

As for "Maybe they occasionally make them with a cannelure but I have yet to see them."
There's no "maybe" about Nosler making Partitions with cannelures. I posted a link to some on the Nosler factory outlet site.

If that's not good enough for you, check this out:
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/89...remington-60-grain-nosler-partition-box-of-20
If you can't see a cannelure on the 60 grain .224" Nosler Partition in that picture, you should probably consult with an Ophthalmologist.

First: Am I detecting some hostility or am I reading your post incorrectly?

Second: No, you may have intended to link to a .224 Partition with a cannelure, but instead you linked to .308 Partitions WITHOUT a cannelure in the picture (probably just a "stock photo") but the description says it is cannelured. You also linked to two different .308 E-Tip, which are lead-free, banded bullets in different weights. The E-Tip also doesn't have a knurled cannelure, but they do appear to have a crimp groove formed into them.

Third: The link to MidwayUSA's listing of the Federal Vital Shok would indeed provide some evidence that .224 cannelured Partitions exist. Their photo also shows the bullets with a flat nose like the photo in the OP, so that also provides evidence that the OP's bullets may indeed be Partitions. So you may be correct that the bullets in question are indeed Partitions. But if they are, they're most likely a bullet that Nosler only sells to Federal and/or other ammo manufacturers. So if I were the OP I wouldn't get my hopes up about finding the exact same bullets sold as NEW components, but you could get close with the non-cannelured Partitions.

 

[Walkalong]

They don't look like Partitions to me. Maybe they occasionally make them with a cannelure but I have yet to see them.

Maybe that's why they got sold off like this. Looking forward to the sectioning.

 

[Swampman]

So you may be correct that the bullets in question are indeed Partitions. But if they are, they're most likely a bullet that Nosler only sells to Federal and/or other ammo manufacturers. So if I were the OP I wouldn't get my hopes up about finding the exact same bullets sold as NEW components, but you could get close with the non-cannelured Partitions.

Indeed, I linked a cannelured .308 Partition because that was indeed the first Partition with a cannelure I saw on the site. I put it there to show the Op that Nosler does indeed make Partitions with cannalures.

I also indeed linked to the two different listings of E-Tip bullets. My purpose was to show that Nosler does indeed occasionally produce bullets that fall outside their acceptable weight range and that they do indeed sell them at a discount.

Indeed! <<<"Harumph's" loudly and tells his butler to bring another glass of port...>>>

 

[Load Master]

This is 1/3 of the way through the cross section. It is defiantly a partition.

 

[KansasSasquatch]

Hmmmm....must be pulls from some of that Vital Shok or some other brand that Nosler sells those to. If you like those give the "normal" Partitions a try. I've got them to shoot pretty well for me. Out of five loads I tried with Hodgdon Benchmark I found one that produced .75" 5 shot groups out of a Savage Edge. Should be good for relatively close white-tail hunting.