22LR bolt gun for the family
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franc
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CZ ...anything
Just about anything made by CZ in rimfire will have you smiling like a little boy after you shoot it!
Find some decent ammo...companies like Norma, or Geco, Wolf, or any ammo by Eley or Lapua. They should shoot Winchester, Thunderbolt or CCI, ok...but if you really want to see what they can do try one of the first 5 ammo types.
For more info than you can handle...check out RimfireCentral.com
Whitaker's Gun's, Bud's Gun shop, etc. will have them. The CZ 455 series (452 series are phasing out) allows you quickly change barrels into .17 and .22mag.
Use SlickGuns.com...they sift through all the pricing and show all the current companies prices....
Fair warning...
once you shoot/own 1 CZ you WILL be infected with CZ' itis....
it is a cruel and wicked illness that will leave you smiling WAY too much at the range!
And will have a constant ringing in your ear, from all your range buddies bitchin' because you are cheating somehow and because you won't share!
You have been warned! Psst! they have "trainers" and HB varmint styles as well....you didn't see anything..I was Never here!
Just about anything made by CZ in rimfire will have you smiling like a little boy after you shoot it!
Find some decent ammo...companies like Norma, or Geco, Wolf, or any ammo by Eley or Lapua. They should shoot Winchester, Thunderbolt or CCI, ok...but if you really want to see what they can do try one of the first 5 ammo types.
For more info than you can handle...check out RimfireCentral.com
Whitaker's Gun's, Bud's Gun shop, etc. will have them. The CZ 455 series (452 series are phasing out) allows you quickly change barrels into .17 and .22mag.
Use SlickGuns.com...they sift through all the pricing and show all the current companies prices....
Fair warning...
once you shoot/own 1 CZ you WILL be infected with CZ' itis....
it is a cruel and wicked illness that will leave you smiling WAY too much at the range!
And will have a constant ringing in your ear, from all your range buddies bitchin' because you are cheating somehow and because you won't share!
You have been warned! Psst! they have "trainers" and HB varmint styles as well....you didn't see anything..I was Never here!
Fella's;
I see another piece of mis-information has arisen concerning putting a scope on a CZ452/455 gun. No, it isn't a real problem, thousands of people will attest to that over on the CZ forum at Rimfire Central. If, for some reason you think there is a problem, there's a sticky over there with a young encyclopedia's worth of information on scope/gun/ring & mount information. In other words, if you can't git-er-done, I don't think the fault lies with the equipment.
900F
I see another piece of mis-information has arisen concerning putting a scope on a CZ452/455 gun. No, it isn't a real problem, thousands of people will attest to that over on the CZ forum at Rimfire Central. If, for some reason you think there is a problem, there's a sticky over there with a young encyclopedia's worth of information on scope/gun/ring & mount information. In other words, if you can't git-er-done, I don't think the fault lies with the equipment.
900F
I have no other rifle more field tested than my Marlin 880. The bolt action belonged first to my older brother and was later handed down to me. It has had a 27 year life and undoubtedly has a six figure round count. It is just as reliable today as it was when I acquired it albeit with many more battle scars. I have never made any adjustment to the sights on the rifle and it has held accuracy throughout all of this time. I'd like to say it has remained reliable for so long due to the care it was in, but the reality is the poor thing has been used, abused, and neglected through large portions of its life and continues to just keep working. I believe it has proved itself to be a great rifle for a youth who may occasionally neglect to perform routine cleaning or oiling.
vaupet
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Anschutz 17** series with match 54 system is top,
won't go wrong with cz and we have a lot of fun with the Browning T-bolt straight pull action. They are build by Miroku in Japan and their quality is just great.
won't go wrong with cz and we have a lot of fun with the Browning T-bolt straight pull action. They are build by Miroku in Japan and their quality is just great.
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rbernie
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I appreciate all of the feedback.
I will admit that most of the Anschutz offerings are probably not much of an option, since I'm really not willing to spend on the other side of two large (plus optics) for the rifle. I'm not particularly cheap, but I don't think that this rifle will be used critically enough to warrant that budget. It's gonna be a range toy for the boys and wife - while accuracy is important to keep them interested, I don't think that they'd be able to appreciate the difference between 'acceptably accurate' and 'truly accurate'. I probably should have done a better job of qualifying that earlier.
My LGS has a bunch of different rifles in stock, but so far is trying to sell me on the Ruger 'Murrican (because of its adjustable comb insert capability) or on an in-stock CZ 455 American that I would then drop into an optics-friendly appropriate stock. I haven't seen any Savage MkII or Marlin's in a stock that I would consider adult sized and optics-friendly, so they're options that would also involve some work.
Of all of these choices, the ability to swap between rimfire chamberings make the CZ a standout, even as it'll take more work to get set up than the Ruger. I don't have any feel for how accurate across various ammo types the Ruger would be, relative to the CZ or any other option...
I will admit that most of the Anschutz offerings are probably not much of an option, since I'm really not willing to spend on the other side of two large (plus optics) for the rifle. I'm not particularly cheap, but I don't think that this rifle will be used critically enough to warrant that budget. It's gonna be a range toy for the boys and wife - while accuracy is important to keep them interested, I don't think that they'd be able to appreciate the difference between 'acceptably accurate' and 'truly accurate'. I probably should have done a better job of qualifying that earlier.
My LGS has a bunch of different rifles in stock, but so far is trying to sell me on the Ruger 'Murrican (because of its adjustable comb insert capability) or on an in-stock CZ 455 American that I would then drop into an optics-friendly appropriate stock. I haven't seen any Savage MkII or Marlin's in a stock that I would consider adult sized and optics-friendly, so they're options that would also involve some work.
Of all of these choices, the ability to swap between rimfire chamberings make the CZ a standout, even as it'll take more work to get set up than the Ruger. I don't have any feel for how accurate across various ammo types the Ruger would be, relative to the CZ or any other option...
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Marlin 880
I have to give a second on the Marlin 880. Mine is the stainless steel version with the micro groove rifling. Mine is deadly accurate. I bought is used for $75 from a local gun store and also falls under the previously abused category. It looked like it was dropped in the mud, left there and then put on the rack for sale as is. It just needed some TLC and a good clean. I've had it for over 10 years, never any trouble with it.
Good luck
I have to give a second on the Marlin 880. Mine is the stainless steel version with the micro groove rifling. Mine is deadly accurate. I bought is used for $75 from a local gun store and also falls under the previously abused category. It looked like it was dropped in the mud, left there and then put on the rack for sale as is. It just needed some TLC and a good clean. I've had it for over 10 years, never any trouble with it.
Good luck
Rbernie;
I'd try the 455 American with glass before I spent the money for a new stock. The CZ American stock was designed to accommodate optics use. The Euro-type hogback stock on other models is specifically meant to be used with the excellent CZ iron sights.
Some ammo testing will be necessary to find out what the gun wants to shoot. One ammunition that I'll add to Franc's list is Winchester X22LRPP PowerPoints. That's the 40 grain HP at an advertised 1280 fps. It's produces results very close to dedicated match ammo in my CZ452 American. That gun & the Winchester ammo are fully capable of MOA accuracy at 100 yards. It's also the single most effective .22 lr ammo I've ever found for terminal performance. If you find it, it should be selling for about $10.00 - 12.00 per 100, significantly less expensive than true match ammo.
900F
I'd try the 455 American with glass before I spent the money for a new stock. The CZ American stock was designed to accommodate optics use. The Euro-type hogback stock on other models is specifically meant to be used with the excellent CZ iron sights.
Some ammo testing will be necessary to find out what the gun wants to shoot. One ammunition that I'll add to Franc's list is Winchester X22LRPP PowerPoints. That's the 40 grain HP at an advertised 1280 fps. It's produces results very close to dedicated match ammo in my CZ452 American. That gun & the Winchester ammo are fully capable of MOA accuracy at 100 yards. It's also the single most effective .22 lr ammo I've ever found for terminal performance. If you find it, it should be selling for about $10.00 - 12.00 per 100, significantly less expensive than true match ammo.
900F
I agree. My CZ455 American shoots like a dream. I've had several scopes on it from a cheap BSA, a Nikon 3-12x and it's favorite an old B&L 2.5-10x Balfour.
Shoots great out to 200 yds with the .17HMR bbl and is deadly at 50-100 yds with the .22LR bbl. Squirrels don't have a chance. Surprisingly, the scope holds zero even after a bbl change. BTW: changing the bbls is not a difficult task.
Bought mine for $435 two years ago with two bbls from Whitaker's in Kentucky.
Shoots great out to 200 yds with the .17HMR bbl and is deadly at 50-100 yds with the .22LR bbl. Squirrels don't have a chance. Surprisingly, the scope holds zero even after a bbl change. BTW: changing the bbls is not a difficult task.
Bought mine for $435 two years ago with two bbls from Whitaker's in Kentucky.
Spot on.
dbmjr1
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I have a CZ 452 American.
I've sold several bench-rest rifles, including Remington 513 Target Master because they would not out shoot my CZ off the bench.
I've never spent the money for an Annie.
You can buy a CZ with confidence.
As already suggested, Rimfirecentral.com has a wealth of information on all things rimfire.
I've sold several bench-rest rifles, including Remington 513 Target Master because they would not out shoot my CZ off the bench.
I've never spent the money for an Annie.
You can buy a CZ with confidence.
As already suggested, Rimfirecentral.com has a wealth of information on all things rimfire.
teetertotter
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You might want to take a look at the Ruger American as their accuracy is pretty descent out to 100 meters, using Match/Target grade. It does not get the recognition that it deserves. It is good for target and hunting at a most favorable price.
rbernie:
Here is a nice setup for $499:
USED SAVAGE MKII 22LR BOLT
16 1/2"BBL FLUTTED O.D SYN STK
TRU GLO SCOPE, BI POD, 2 MAGS
http://shop.williamsgunsight.com/pic/USED-SAVAGE-MKII-22LR-BOLT-029745/029745.aspx
Geno
Here is a nice setup for $499:
USED SAVAGE MKII 22LR BOLT
16 1/2"BBL FLUTTED O.D SYN STK
TRU GLO SCOPE, BI POD, 2 MAGS
http://shop.williamsgunsight.com/pic/USED-SAVAGE-MKII-22LR-BOLT-029745/029745.aspx
Geno
stubbicatt
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If you are willing to spend a little money, buy an original Winchester Winder musket. Accurate, fun, great sights, and best of all, you can sell it for what you paid. Sort of like a free car rental, all you have to provide is the gas. 
And I have yet to see a modern, CNC machined, rifle with the fit and quality of these 100 year old rifles. Originally I said fit and finish, but well, most of mine are sort of thin on the finish.
And I have yet to see a modern, CNC machined, rifle with the fit and quality of these 100 year old rifles. Originally I said fit and finish, but well, most of mine are sort of thin on the finish.
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Another thought is to buy a target rifle. There are several to choose from.Mossberg 144 or 44, Winchester 52, Remington 40x or 540xr, Kimber 82, any Auschutz bolt action, and a few more. I have a 540 XR. It is cool to have, but is range use only. I have a Ruger American that is accurate. But for the money it is very hard to beat a higher grade CZ 452 or 455.
I know a lot of people like the Savage but you are taking a chance on them. Some are accurate some aren't and they have issues with magazines. You can put money on them and still not have as nice a gun or as accurate as a CZ American. Rimfire central has a ton of info.
I know a lot of people like the Savage but you are taking a chance on them. Some are accurate some aren't and they have issues with magazines. You can put money on them and still not have as nice a gun or as accurate as a CZ American. Rimfire central has a ton of info.
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