.22lr MEGATHREAD

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gbw said:
Around here (Gulf Coast deep south) .22 is never available at the local Wal-Marts. I check whenever I happen to be there. In the past 2+ years I've seen 4 boxes of Winchester 50ct. Thunderbolt on the shelves.

Clerks say the same few people always show up when it's due to arrive and buy all they are allowed, exhausting the supply. Gun shows are clogged with bulk boxes of .22 ammo that looks like it's from Wal-Mart, at double the price or more.

Eventually the supply will match demand and normal markets will return. When that happens the hoarders and pawn-shops may choke on their piles of .22 ammo, a consummation devoutly to be wished.
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Yeah...and you know WHY gun shows are "clogged" with bulk boxes of .22? Because there aren't any lines of people climbing over each other to buy them.

But if you're interested, the last few gun shows I've been to are showing a definite decreasing trend on their prices for .22 ammo. One table actually had CCI MiniMag for $9 a hundred round box, which ain't much higher than Walmart prices(between $7 and $8 a box). Even his 300 round packs of CCI $27 each.

.22 is becoming more readily available in the stores all over the place. It ain't anywhere near what it was pre-panic, of course, but it's there and it's getting better. Hang in there!
 
Havent been asking at walmart lately, but with spring comming i went into the hunting/fishing section to buy some fishing line. Asked if they had any 22 ammo. She had some boxes of Federal Auto Match, 325 rds at $18. I bought the 3 they allowed me. This was about 4:45 this afternoon. I dont know when or how much they got in, or how much they had left, but i will probably start asking each time i go just to see
 
Warp said:
If you are going to result to the low-road of insulting your fellow shooters for choosing differently than you, at least pick the correct name to call them.

So called "hoarders" don't care what the FRN market value of it is because they don't sell it
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No insult intended, I don't know what else to call it. If they actually shoot it then they aren't hoarding. If they are buying everything they can get their hands regardless of need just to stash away, then yes, that's hoarding.

I suspect there is a good bit of hoarding right now and it's selfish. If they really don't care what they pay then they're foolish as well as selfish.
 
gbw said:
No insult intended, I don't know what else to call it. If they actually shoot it then they aren't hoarding. If they are buying everything they can get their hands regardless of need just to stash away, then yes, that's hoarding.

I suspect there is a good bit of hoarding right now and it's selfish. If they really don't care what they pay then they're foolish as well as selfish.
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Why do you get to determine what someone's need is? There are people out there that don't think you need a gun. Saying someone doesn't need ammo is not something you can determine for them
 
gbw said:
No insult intended, I don't know what else to call it. If they actually shoot it then they aren't hoarding. If they are buying everything they can get their hands regardless of need just to stash away, then yes, that's hoarding.

I suspect there is a good bit of hoarding right now and it's selfish. If they really don't care what they pay then they're foolish as well as selfish.
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Nobody said anything about not caring what they pay. I said that the people you are attempting to insult by calling them "hoarders" and wishing ill upon them don't really care if the market corrects and prices come down a little because they aren't selling. If anything they'll just buy more when supply is better and good prices are easy to find.

If they want it, they need it, as much as you need the ammo that you buy.

I strongly suspect that the vast majority of buyers paying the "inflated" prices are shooters who will use it soon, anyway, not people preparing for ammo shortages by storing it away.

Besides, if you really want to find a shooter/consumer to point a finger at and blame for why you can't easily find inexpensive ammo, either point your fingers at a certain political party or point your finger at shooters because they destroy the ammo and remove it from the supply entirely. No it doesn't make sense to blame shooters for buying and shooting ammo, and no it doesn't make sense to blame shooters for buying and storing the ammo for later.
 
Well Sunday me and my grandsons will be out at the gun club shooting a brick or so having fun.
 
Just picked up 4 more bricks of CCI SV from Military Shooters Supply at $39 a brick. Not a great price, last 4 were $35. That being said, I've got a case of CCI MM on back order for $31/500 buts it's going on 13 months. Now I can cancel my 18 mo old backorder at the CMP for a case of Agulia Golden Eagle at $450/cs. It's all about inventory management. :)
 
 
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Palmetto State Armory has CCI standard velocity round nose for $45/brick, Magtech for $39.99/brick and CCI Mini Mags for $12/#100. Shipping for me is better than brownells. You wont get your order for a few weeks but you could save 30%

Edit: I've never used CI ammo but I've never had issues with any CCI and I haven't tried the Magtech yet
 
spazzy said:
Palmetto State Armory has CCI standard velocity round nose for $45/brick, Magtech for $39.99/brick and CCI Mini Mags for $12/#100. Shipping for me is better than brownells. You wont get your order for a few weeks but you could save 30%

Edit: I've never used CI ammo but I've never had issues with any CCI and I haven't tried the Magtech yet
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I still get them for about half the price you are quoting at Wally world and have them in hand on the spot.
 
Lman57 said:
I still get them for about half the price you are quoting at Wally world and have them in hand on the spot.
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I got sick of running around/stopping in at local stores and seeing empty shelves. My last two orders were $36 and $40/brick shipped, in a brand my rifles like, plenty acceptable to me. I value my very limited free time more than saving a few bucks.

I thought I'd post up some advice for people still on the prowl for the elusive 22lr :)
 
spazzy said:
I got sick of running around/stopping in at local stores and seeing empty shelves. My last two orders were $36 and $40/brick shipped, in a brand my rifles like, plenty acceptable to me. I value my very limited free time more than saving a few bucks.

I thought I'd post up some advice for people still on the prowl for the elusive 22lr :)
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If I had limited free time I would probably order as well. I am retired so Free time is almost all the time along with saving more than a few bucks Life is good..
 
There are 5 Walmarts within a 15 mile radius of my house and NONE of them have any .22LR ammo. Some of them have not seen any .22lr in weeks. Yes, I call and visit often. I also have 3 apps that work about 80% of the time. And no, I refuse to pay .10 cents per round for remington golden bullets.
 
I know the scheduled days and times when the Ammo arrives at my two local Walmart's I spend maybe 45 minutes to a hour of my time at each store and pick up my Ammo. I only go when my supply on hand gets low.
 
A LGS had CCI 36 gr. HP 100 rd. trays for $10.99. This is more than I wanted to pay but it was high velocity HPs, not standard velocity RN (I have enough of those!).
I also wanted the trays for putting the loose bulk ammo in after I shoot the CCIs up.
As Magnum Joe said, I haven't found ANY .22 ammo in the two local Wal-farts since Nov. 2012. :scrutiny: It hasn't mattered what day or time I went - they never had any. :mad:
 
I was happy to see that the local BassPro had ample supplies of .17 HMR (Hornady) in stock and the 200 round bricks of CCI .22 mag (the Swamp Guy variety)

The .17's were $14 a box, and the .22 Mag was $43 of box
 
I'm glad to have one of my distributors call the last 2 weeks and ask if I need any, he isn't sending a bunch, but it's more than he has in a long long time.
 
Bought 500 round brick of 22 long rifle at Gander Mountain for $25 plus tax.
 
Gander has 333 Winchester for $17.99 RIGHT NOW with a limit of one box. Once you add shipping and tax it comes to $.074 per round at your door. That's not a price to get all crazy about but it's not too shabby.
It will probably be gone in a few minutes.
 
I was in a Bakersfield WalMart Sunday, and they had a couple dozen 325-round packs of Federal Auto Match for $18.97 each, limit three. I bought two, just for some plinking ammo for the grandson.

I needed to test and sight in grandson's 10/22 (standard barrel) after I installed a VQ target hammer. This vastly improved the trigger on this gun. With CCI HP Minimags, sitting at a table without bipod or bags, it was consistently under an inch at 50 yards. The Auto Match was over 2", with flyers to 3". That's just one gun, of course. I did find the VQ trigger spring to be too light for me - about 1 of 10 shots would not reset. I replaced it with the factory spring and the issue was resolved.

It's going to be a tough spring for the local squirrels....
 
I have picked up 2k rounds of Federal 22 LR today as well as 500 rounds of 22WMR. $.25 per round on the mag and just over $.05 on the LR. Delivered to my door...I hope.
 
The Auto Match was over 2", with flyers to 3".
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I had bought 3 bricks of AutoMatch a year or so ago, couldn't get it to group out of 3 rifles. Sent Federal an email with a pic of the test target and follow up target using two different ammo's as proof of potential accuracy. They had UPS pick it up and sent me a refund plus$. And to think I almost bought a case of it before testing.
As far as the Walmart thing, there is an online app I believe on their web site that will notify you. I've never done it so may be someone else can enlighten us.
 
Had a 14-month back-order with Midway for CCI Mini Mags, but then developed the audacity to call and ask if they could guess when it might come to pass, nearest quarter being fine, having been closed to new orders with 14 months to gauge the delivery rate.

They said "nope" and cancelled the order.

It's getting old to hear it called a "panic". It's been going on for years. Let's call it a "surge".

News stories from 2009 have CCI telling the same sad story of working 24/7 to produce 4 million rounds a day. The identical numbers are quoted in reports 5 years later.

Does anyone report how many kernels of corn they ship? "We shipped 40 billion kernels of corn today"! What does that mean?

Bottom line is manufacturers are not making as much ammunition as people want to buy.

Instead of raising the price to automatically ration while getting the money to expand production, they let middle-men who add no value get 2x the profits.

The result is guaranteed scarcity. Like the bread lines in the old Soviet Union, when 5 year planning committees decided how much to make, set the price, and ignored the market reality.

Haven't been able to find any P9HST2 (9mm) for over a year either. In each caliber, the stuff I prefer is sold out for totally unknowable periods of time on the order of months and years. I've never seen another industry like this outside the Soviet Union central planning stuff.

But its blamed on the "panic" of buyers (implying they are irrational to want to buy the manufacturer's product, as if the reason for buying a product matters) … not the poor planning and market understanding of manufacturers content to be boutique operations because change and growth is scary.

If there is a genuine panic, forget it, these guys will be running in circles going "woop woop woop!"
 
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