.22lr MEGATHREAD

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The stores are not getting them in and when they do, there's the same people standing in line everyday waiting to buy so they can go put them on the Internet for 3 times the price.
They have, in effect, set themselves up as the middleman.
 
The stores are not getting them in and when they do, there's the same people standing in line everyday waiting to buy so they can go put them on the Internet for 3 times the price.
They have, in effect, set themselves up as the middleman.

Correct!
 
This .22 hoarding will continue unabated until theres a new president (progun) who can calm the nerves.
 
Supply and demand ... Economics 101.

In the secondary market!

As I said, the largest retailer in the world has not raised their prices by any appreciable amount. That alone should tell you something.

I'm fairly certain the bean counters at WalMart know economics 101 better than anyone here.
 
THR needs to start a 5.56x45 super thread. All the 22LR buyers have changed their buying habits and are now waiting in line for .223 shipments to arrive.
 
Those who buy up the supply from the retailers, then demand a high price on the secondary market that they have created, and the foolish consumer buys.

That folks is the current story of supply and demand.

If not then inform us as to why the largest retailer in the world has not raised their prices to any extant!

Because when (large) RETAILERS do it, there's a huge public and political backlash about it and the retailers get slammed for it.


No. I've spoken to clerks at Cabela's, Academy, Walmart, and local gun shops, and unless everyone is telling me the same lie, they're simply NOT getting supply at the retail level; IF the manufacturers are making .22 at full capacity as they claim, then someone is intercepting it BEFORE it gets to retail level.

So it HAS to be a lie, huh? It can't POSSIBLY be as simple as all the retail outlets selling .22LR as fast as they can get it...

Your claim that it HAS to be getting "intercepted" between the manufacturer and the retailer is more grandiose in scale than any James Bond movie plot, when you think about the scale of such a hypothetical operation. Especially when you also consider to what evil, nefarious purpose must be behind it.

:rolleyes:
 
Because when (large) RETAILERS do it, there's a huge public and political backlash about it and the retailers get slammed for it.

Oh, so when Old Joe triples the price of a brick of .22's he bought at WalMart to supplement his S/S check and sells it at the local flea market or gun show its all OK.

Now I get it, OK for the little cheat who likely doesn't have a tax license, but bad for the B/M store, who is following all the rules and laws.
 
Oh, so when Old Joe triples the price of a brick of .22's he bought at WalMart to supplement his S/S check and sells it at the local flea market or gun show its all OK.

Now I get it, OK for the little cheat who likely doesn't have a tax license, but bad for the B/M store, who is following all the rules and laws.


The obvious answer to your question is "yes", it's all good for Old Joe to do this because we see it happening all around without a huge public and political backlash.

About the ONLY time there is a huge public and political backlash against similar practices is during certain times of civil emergencies, such as when some coastal region gets slammed with a hurricane or something. Then the public and local government comes down on these people like a ton of bricks in a most vindictive fashion.


As for a "tax license"...a tax license isn't what you're thinking about. And even if it were, a business tax fee is based on projected gross income based on previous income periods. Less than $10,000 gross is typically no tax fee. Between $10,001 and $50,000 may be $30, and so forth. Old Joe would have to buy and sell 400 bricks a year at a 100% markup (assuming $25 a brick) in order to make $10,000 profit. Frankly, I don't see Old Joe getting that much ammo a year from the retailers.

http://taxes.arlingtonva.us/business/business-license-tax/


If people are selling things for a profit, yes, they are supposed to pay taxes on the profits. However, Uncle Sam historically hasn't pursued small time infringements on this because it's cost prohibitive for them to do so. Doesn't make it right, I know, but that it also the way it is.

And even if they DO pay taxes on it, there are ways to mitigate a significant portion of those, even for small timers. They can, for instance, deduct business expenses. By the time Old Joe finishes doing this with his part-time ammo flipping, he may very well end up not having to pay taxes anyway.


Personally, I don't care what Old Joe does. He's not likely to be selling his overpriced .22 LR ammo like hot cakes anyway...certainly I haven't seen .22 LR flying off the tables at the many gun shows I've attended in the last two years. Old Joe's prices are high enough to keep that from happening...which means if anybody really NEEDS it, Old Joe's gonna have some for him. Good on Old Joe.

And who am I to judge all these other people flipping ammo? They ain't making a fortune doing it because they have to get their supplies from the various retailers, just like all the rest of us do. Which means they only get a trickle of .22 LR to flip. Maybe flipping a couple bricks or so of .22 LR each month helps pay for diapers and formula. Maybe it's helping pay the mortgage or rent. Who cares? Social Security isn't paying people like Old Joe much to live on, anyway, so more power to them.
 
So I didn't need a sales tax license because I was a small time operator. Man alive I wish I'd have known that when I started our retail business that I retired from 15 years ago, at the age of 58.

I ran our business on the up and up. YMMV
 
I might add when we left our home state to be at shows we were required to purchase a tax license in that state, and believe me the tax fellows did show up to check.
 
One of the local walmarts had 100 rd. packages of winchester super x hyper velocity for $9.47 and 100 rd. packages of cci minimags for $7.47 this morning. They had about 20 packages of the CCI and about 40 packages of the Winchesters.
 
In the secondary market!

As I said, the largest retailer in the world has not raised their prices by any appreciable amount. That alone should tell you something.

I'm fairly certain the bean counters at WalMart know economics 101 better than anyone here.
Supply and demand. The market for .22lr is the market for .22lr. It isn't a different market because you buy it from seller A instead of seller X.

I'm fairly certain Walmart cares more about public perception of their pricing than a private party reseller cares about theirs.
 
So it HAS to be a lie, huh? It can't POSSIBLY be as simple as all the retail outlets selling .22LR as fast as they can get it...

I'm an FFL, and I haven't seen any quantity of 22lr (Federal, Remington, CCI, Winchester, Aquila ...) at the wholesale/distributor level in two YEARS. All I ever see is this "off brand" match ammo ... and not much of that.

Where are the multi-millions of rounds they say they are producing DAILY going?
 
Where are the multi-millions of rounds they say they are producing DAILY going?

To bigger dealers then you.

During the height of SH I frequented an out of the way dealer that turns out is one the biggest distributors in the state. I asked about AR's and he had a few in stock at reasonable prices :what: I asked how'd he end up with some when NO ONE in the SE part of our state had any. He said "the game is played like this" I get weekly calls from the national distributors (some ARE the mfg) and they tell me what's available, I then say yes or no. Anything left goes to next biggest fish. He said he got calls from dealers all the time offering to buy at a slight premium, he always said NO to them so he could sell to HIS customers at that slight premium price. This removed the 2,3,4 middleman markups. Some on line Commercial sellers, who appear to have plenty of stock now, may have placed big orders with the mfgs at the start of the scare and are receiving them now. The other possibility is the are buying from the main distributors at a premium price to sell at a premium price. In the past several week I've gotten numerous "notifications" for various brands at .10-.12. / rd, NO LIMIT. So the ammo IS out there.
 
To many millions of shooters and gun owners.

Not really, many, many of those "new" gun owners have yet to see ammo to shoot, and many of them took said arm and stood it in the closet, many, many more already were gun owners.

Plus there are a lot of them selling their "newly purchased" arms. Check out your local pawn shop.
 
Not really, many, many of those "new" gun owners have yet to see ammo to shoot, and many of them took said arm and stood it in the closet, many, many more already were gun owners.

Plus there are a lot of them selling their "newly purchased" arms. Check out your local pawn shop.

Why did you say "new" and put it in quotes? I never said anything about new anything. What are you talking about? :confused:
 
OK, hows this?

Not really, many, many of those gun owners have yet to see ammo to shoot, and many of them took said arms and stood them in the closet, many, many more already were gun owners of many other arms.

Plus there are a lot of them selling their extra arms. Check out your local pawn shop.



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