.30-30 bullets in '06 or .308

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I've read some opinions about using (for example) 170gr FP bullets pushed at higher velocity in .308 and .30-'06 rifles for deer hunting. Apparently, the more-lightly jacketed .30-30 bullets really expand well at the higher velocity and kill deer EVEN DEADER ;)than the more customary 150gr - 165gr spire point bullets.

Has anyone loaded this and seen performance on deer-sized game? I'm thinking 2500 = 2600 fps should be like a lightning bolt.
 
the only problem is that at short range the lighter jacketed bullets might break up a lot and give poor penetration. 180 grain soft point bullets in the .30-06 or .308 penetrate a lot and expand well. They perform almost as well as my .300 WSM on whitetails (the .300 WSM with 180 grain power points acts like a lightning bolt).
 
To use an old phrase, "Use the right tool for the job." Lever bullets are carefully designed to work at lower velocities, that won't be improved by shooting them so fast the break up like eggs and the proper high speed bullets do quite nicely.
 
How do you kill something even DEADER? I know it is a joke. I just had to laugh when I read it. Thanks for making my morning...lol
 
I've used 150's and 170's.

It really depends on the individual bullet. Each one has to be considered individually on its own merits.

Most of the Speer 150 and 170gr FN's are what you would call "multipurpose" in that they are not explicitly ".30/30" bullets. They actually have sometimes given me poor performance in the .30/30 due to a lack of expansion. The Speer's are intended for the .307wcf, as well with other "higher velocity than the .30/30 applications. Ditto the now discontinued Nosler Solid base 150gr FN. I actually lost several deer with this bullet with lung shots from a Marlin 336A with a 24" bbl with velocities running 2,350-2,450. These bullets were astonishingly accurate though... The Nosler 170gr partitons perform very well however, expanding well throughout the normal velocity envelope of the .30wcf (.30/30) and even at higher velocities, too.

However, I've seen excellent results with the Remington CorLokt's with the usage you've mentioned. The Corlokts expand readily at the lower velocities of factory loaded .30/30 (Muzzle vel. of 2,200fps of 150's and 2,000fps of 170's -actual observations from 20" production rifles). However, because of their construction, they hold together very well at higher velocities. Because of their less than optimum shape, they loose velocity quicker than more streamlined bullets and at 300yds from an '06 would perform much like a .30/30 at 200yds, which is still very well, thankyou !!!!!!

Since a lot of hunters,(myself included) like a blunt nosed bullet for various reasons, and since neither Remington or Winchester any longer release their excellent 180gr RN's for the '06 for reloaders, the 170gr CorLokt is an excellent replacement.

Yes, they put deer down VERY well, at ANY REASONABLE distance, but no better than the above mentioned 180gr RN's.

That said, the 180gr Remington CorLokt Pt.Spt's likewise perform excellently from some of the large MAGNUM rifles such as the .300RUM. An application much like running the .30wcf bullets through an '06.

Not a good advertisement for the $1+ "each" bullets being touted as "NECCESSARY" for the behemoth magnums........................

I bought 500 Remington CorLokts a year ago for $48 (they're a lot more expensive this year) or, for about what 50 of the new MRX Barnes or XP-3 Winchester "bullets" cost.......(note that they are sold in boxes of 20 !!!) NOT LOADED AMMO.......... They run over $3.....EACH (box of 20 goes for $60+ !!!) What is also bizarre, as "rough" as the bulk packed CorLokts look, they are the most accurate bullet in My Savage M110 in .300RUM (at or under MOA at 3,300fps) Performance on deer has been superlative, too. No "exploded" bullets failing to penetrate, just "exploding" deer, with 24"+ penetration and smaller than expected exit wounds............ or about like the 10X more expensive bullets......

If the ".30/30" bullets are all you have, you'll do "OK" with them. I suggest also saving a little on the powder charge too, by loading to 5-10% below max. for optimum accuracy and performance. Bullets to avoid are the Winchester PowerPoint FN or Open points (HP). These have given me some shed jackets and short penetration even from a .30/30. Ditto some of the 110gr "plinkers" and "varminters"... These were primarily intended for the .30 Carbine.

P.S. Hutch.......BTW.. Some of the deer killed with these loads were taken in west Lee Co.,AL back in the mid- to late '70's and early '80s while I was in school and working for the Auburn P.D.
 
If you want a bullet to fragment when it hits a deer. Go ahead and use 150 and 170 grain bullets designed for lower velocities...As stated above...Those bullets designed for lever guns in the .30-30 class are thinner jacketed...I really don't see the point. Speaking of "point" That goes for trying to improve a already proven rifle by using pointed bullets in them too...
 
It's fun to mess around with all manner of stray notions, but it's still a fact that it's hard to find a flat-based 150-grain "normal bullet" that from an '06 WON'T kill Bambi just deader'n a hammer. Hornady Spire Point, Remington Bronze Point, Sierra GameKing and a host of others.

Art
 
Good to hear from y'all. My first and onliest ever one deer I've shot to death was done in by a 150gr Hornady SP out of a .308, and a deader animal never lived. That is to say, I shot him stem to stern, just barely off the centerline, and he rocketed ~ 6-8' straight up, and landed on his side, with one leg slightly quivering. Now THAT's dead. Hammer dead, graveyard dead. My hunting buddy observed that ANYBODY could hit a big deer, but it took more marksmanship to take one that size.

All that being said for a funny, I now recall it was Mel Tappan who wrote that little tidbit about 170gr bullets in an '06 or .308 in Survival Guns. History and science have not been kind to some of his other opinions, either. The old Lyman reloading manual offered opinions about 190gr bullets (not a typo) produced for the .300 Savage and the .30-30, indicating great accuracy. Anybody remember them? I sure don't.

PS, Goose: In a remarkable coincidece, the observant hunting buddy (above) has a new son-in-law who's on the Auburn PD. Shame about the South Florida game, ain't it? (Hutch the mis-placed Tide fan).
 
How do you kill something even DEADER?

Easy. See, deer from the 1700's and 1800's were weak. But deep in the enchanted forest the animals harnessed "growth hormones" and have since required more and more powerful rounds just to knock them down. Black powder cap and ball rifles once did the job nicely. They even killed some grizzlies with that stuff. But time goes on and things evolve. The guns need to keep up too, so we get things like Super Shorts, and Ultra Mags. Basically, when you kill an animal (via shooting) you need to make sure you also kill that added "growth hormone" (nature calls it adrenaline) that the animal uses to run away with (after a piss poor shot). :D
 
I have loaded the speer 170 grain flat point in my 308 with excellent results.

Speer also still makes a round nosed 150 grain bullet with a thicker jacket.

I have never tried the Remington bullets but may have to give them a try. I always used the round nose bullet when they were commonly available for hunting. I now just load my own using 170 grain speer flat points and a velocity of about 2500 feet per second. 2500 feet per second is not too much for the speer flat point. I drive a 170 grain hard cast that fast.
 
190 grainer

Hutch, you are correct. I had a friend who used to hunt with a .303 Savage. The only factory loads I know of were 190 grain bullets. They had a big "blue" nose. I'm not aware of them ever being availble for handloads, but that was the standard factory weight for that cartridge.
 
I used to load the 150 grainers with the big lead flat nose in my 30-06 at about 'normal' 150 grain 30-06 velocities. I used them for vermin. They will absolutely EXPLODE an armadillo or similar sized creature. I would not use them for deer for fear of an explosive but very shallow wound.
 
FWIW, most ANY .30cal bullets suitable for big-game hunting at nominal velocities (2,000fps and upward) will "EXPLODE" an armadillo.
BTDT.

Use your .30cal RN and FN bullets in your .308 and '06 with confidence. They're not nearly as explosive as those who know CW but haven't used them in this application seem the think.
 
Why did you have to bring up armadillos???? Man I HATE 'dillos. They root in my yard, tear stuff up, and crawl under my house. Nailed one weekend before last with a 12g HD load. A friend also reported having hit one (I'm not making this up) with a hot 405gr jacketed flat point out of a .458Win Mag, for a test. Another off-center stem to stern shot, but half the 'diller disappeared completely, leaving half to topple over to the "missing" side.
 
I have use 170gr Speer 30-30 bullets in a 308, loaded to less than max 307 velocities and have taken deer out around 50 yards or less. The critters fall over right there and there is a thru hole but there is a copper, lead trail to show the path of the bullet and it is hard to dress the deet out and get all of the lead.
 
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