.30 carbine bullets in a .30-30

[paintballdude902]

im a noob reloader and im looking into a plinker/pest control round for my .30-30 and i was looking into using 110gr .30 carbine bullets


will i have much trouble having these seat correctly?


anyone have a decent load already for one of these?

 

[rbernie]

will i have much trouble having these seat correctly?

No, but you may have trouble when the rounds in the mag tube detonate under recoil. Last I looked, even the SP 110gr 30 carbine bullets had too small of a lead tip to be safe in the mag tube.

 

[rcmodel]

Look at the Speer 130 FP-HP for a good varmint bullet.

As for 110 SP carbine bullets, yes, you can use them.
(Just not FMJ GI type bullets.)

Hornadys 110 RN-SP has less "point" then thier 150 grain 30-30 big-game bullets.
It's a safe bet they kick a lot harder then the 110's will.

The only problem you will likely have with 110 RN in a tube magazine is keeping them in place in the cases.

None of them have a crimping Cannulure.

rcmodel

 

[The Bushmaster]

Sierra has a 125 grain FNSP for .30-30 with cannelure for crimping...I'm sure other bullet manufacturers may have other bullet weights for .30-30...

 

[rbernie]

None of them have a crimping Cannulure.

Excellent point. I tend to make up for this by crimping the snot outta such bullets using my Lee FCD; I figure that the loss of jacket structural integrity doesn't much matter for varmint use. But I shoulda pointed that out - sorry.

Having said that, I've been very pleased with the Sierra 125gr HP in my 30-30 for varmint use. They do have a cannelure, have a soft lead nose, and are surprisingly accurate in my Marlins.

 

[rcmodel]

Sierra has a 125 grain FNSP for .30-30

I'm thinking they might have quite making that one.
I was on thier website looking for it awhile ago before I posted and couldn't find it.

Then, I just went back and found it!
http://www.sierrabullets.com/index.cfm?section=bullets&page=rifle&caliberID=9

It's my favorite 30-30 bullet too!
My old Winny 94 has on occasion put 5 of them into less the 1.5" with open sights!

rcmodel

 

[paintballdude902]

what about solid lead will i have the tube mag poblem with these

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=939524

 

[rcmodel]

They look more "Pointy" then the Hornady RN 110's for sure!

Course, the old "round-nose bullet will blow up a tubular magazine" is pretty much a myth.

Spitzers yes!
Round nose, not so much!

It has been known to happen with very hard kicking lever-guns like the .348 Win. and 45-70, and some of the old black-powder calibers.

But take a gander at Remington's Core-Lok 170 RN 30-30 some time!

I'm pretty sure if it was really a problem, they would have stopped making that load about 60 years ago!

rcmodel

 

[Vern Humphrey]

The "explosion in the magazine tube" problem is vastly overblown. Rifle magazine did a test in which they deliberately set off rounds in the magazine, with minimal damage -- and they did not set them off merely by firing a magazine full of loads with pointed bullets.

But, what the heck, why risk it? If you're worried, load one in the chamber and one in in the magazine -- how often do you need three quick shots in the field, anyhow?

 

[rcmodel]

+1

A tube full of Black-Powder loads going off would be a pipe bomb!
That's how the story got started over a hundred years ago.

With smokeless rifle powder, even if you could get it to happen, it's more popping & flames, and way less smoke & shrapnel!

rcmodel

 

[Roadkill]

I loaded some Berry's .30 110g plated round nose bullets for my marlin 336. Don't remember the powder charge (IMR4895) but they shot very well. Hit about a foot higher at 100yds than the 150g bullets I usually shoot. I fired them single shot. I planned to use them coyote hunting but didn't want to mess with adjusting the scope.

 

[ranger335v]

You need not crimp for a lever gun IF the base of the seated bullet is safely above the junction of the shoulder and neck. No normal recoil will drive the bullet any deeper.

 

[Seafarer12]

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=336780&t=11082005

I would use something like this personally.

 

[Roccobro]

I've been waiting for those Speer HP's to come back in stock for months. Rumor is they stopped making them all together.

Justin

 

[rcmodel]

No normal recoil will drive the bullet any deeper.

That has not always been my experiance with a 94 Winchester carbine.

Might be true with 110 grain bullets, I don't know.

rcmodel

 

[paintballdude902]

sea im looking for really cheap that is .20 just per bullet not counting primer and powder i really want to load plinkers for under .20complete

 

[The Bushmaster]

You might find a 150 grain Remington Core-Lokt in bulk that might fit your price per unit requirment.

rcmodel. The reason that the Core-Lokt round nose will work in tubular magazine is that they are soo soft that the minute you load them into a tubular magazine they flatten out. Before I started reloading them that is what I used...Remington 170 grain Core-Lokt...Excellent round and bullet...

 

[rcmodel]

I know.
I would expect the same from the 110 grain .30 carbine soft point.

My point was that a RN-SP and a tubular magazine certainly can co-exist safely, or Remington wouldn't have made them all these years!

Not so much from a GI FMJ Carbine bullet though!

rcmodel

 

[scrat]

lee makes a very good mold for 120 grain round nose. here is what it looks like.

http://www.leeprecision.com/cgi/catalog/browse.cgi?1206892322.5572=/html/catalog/bullmol2.html

 

[dagger dog]

Dude,

Speer makes just such a bullet, in fact it is called the PLINKER 100 gr
pg 264 Speer manual 13 it has the data for 30-30 Win with WIN brass, CCI 200 or 250 primer C.O.L. is 2.345"
the lowest velocity load starts at 31gr H4895 @2054 FPS from a WIN MDL 94 the MAX load tops out at 35 gr. Speer pt # for the Plinker is 1805

I figured the lowest velocity would be the quietest.

 

[ants]

Like daggerdog says, yes you can use the 110 SP and there are published loads for them. Even 85 grain bullets are available!
Yes, you can get a decent crimp on the jacket that won't move in the tube nor wreck the jacket.

Here is data from the Lyman 48th Handbook for the Hornady 110g RN #3015, for both lever and bolt guns:
Powder Charge
IMR 4198 27.0 - 29.5
IMR 3031 26.5 - 33.5
IMR 4895 31.0 - 34.0
H-335 34.0 - 37.8
BLC(2) 35.0 - 38.7
748 36.0 - 41.0 (compressed charge)
IMR 4064 31.0 - 35.0 (compressed charge)
IMR 4320 28.0 - 33.0 (compressed charge)

They also have loads for the Sierra #2020, the 125g flat nose mentioned above. But the 110g round nose is definitely cheaper.

Sierra has the 85g round nose soft point in its catalog. I've never used them and suspect that the short bullet may not be as accurate as the longer bullets, but who know. If you get some, tell us how they work.

Of course, before you use it VERIFY THIS DATA FROM THE PUBLISHED MANUAL ITSELF. Be careful and be safe.