300 BLK CQB Pistol Muzzle Device- Ideas?

[sharpshooter91]

Hey folks- Here's where I'm at. I'm assembling a .300 AAC home defense pistol. It's a 10.5 inch Radical Firearms upper with a stock A2 birdcage flash suppressor.
What I want to do is put on a muzzle device that will reduce the report/ flash of the pistol, so it's not as loud and bright (especially indoors) for the shooter. I would like a device that helps reduce recoil/flip as well if there's any such thing out there.
Any advice on linear compensators, flash cans, muzzle brake, or combination? Budget is a concern (preferably under $120), otherwise I'd just make the jump for a suppressor.
Thanks in advance.

 

[Snyper]

"What I want to do is put on a muzzle device that will reduce the report/ flash of the pistol, so it's not as loud and bright (especially indoors) for the shooter."

That's a suppressor under current law

 

[sharpshooter91]

"That's a suppressor under current law"

Maybe I should clarify. I'm looking for advice in something like a flash can or linear compensator, or a device that combines these designs. Something to redirect gas and concussive energy away from the shooter to mitigate the conceivable report to the shooter.
There's a big difference between what a muzzle brake and a flash suppressor sound like to the shooter, and there's a difference between what a flash suppressor and a flash can sound like too. I'm looking for ideas to help reduce sound and concussive energy without going the suppressor route yet. Thanks.

 

[Acera]

Just about any flash hider, muzzle break will increase the sound that the shooter hears. Most people complain that a break increases the noise too much.

As Snyper said, any device that reduces sound level is considered a suppressor under current law. Just a reduction of 1 db is enough to make whatever you put on the end illegal without proper paperwork.

You may find that having no muzzle device will be better than having something that directs the gas more toward you. Muzzle breaks are more for recoil reduction than anything else.

 

[Shawn Dodson]

Hera Arms LC Gen 2 - http://www.hera-arms.com/#!lc-gen2/cycc

 

[desidog]

What you want was referred to as a "simulator" by Robert Deniro's character Sam in the movie Ronin. Unfortunately, it doesn't exist...

Even with a linear, if shooting inside in an SD situation, you'll be hearing ringing long into your police interrogation.

 

[Snyper]

"I'm looking for ideas to help reduce sound and concussive energy without going the suppressor route yet. Thanks."

You can't add any device that "reduces sound" without the proper paperwork for a suppressor, because no matter how many adjectives you stick on it, that is what it is.

 

[adcoch1]

A break or flash suppressor may INCREASE the volume for the shooter, so try a bare barrel. Or a golf ball launcher. My 300blk isn't very flashy at all with an 8.2" barrel with nothing on it. But it's better with an a2 birdcage. Can't really notice a volume difference with the a2. If the money was there though, a suppressor is the answer you're looking for. Otherwise an a2.

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[DRYHUMOR]

DD muzzle climb mitigator would help with control. But, not with quieting.

 

[ny32182]

I've never had one, but isn't the "flaming pig" muzzle device designed to basically send all the sound downrange, making SBRs less concussive from the shooter perspective? I don't know what it would do for recoil. Anything that actually mitigates recoil (a compensator) will have to do so by redirecting gas sideways or back, so I think without a suppressor you can get a device that does one or the other (reduce either perceived concussion from the shooter's perspective, or recoil) but not both.

 

[ny32182]

Noveske KX3... that is the device I'm thinking of. I don't think it will reduce recoil, but if you had to shoot an SBR indoors, it would probably be better than a compensator in terms of shooter perceived concussion.

 

[Tirod]

Muzzle devices include flash hiders, compensators, brakes, and silencers.

If it moderates the noise enough to get the ATF's attention they class it as a silencer. Therefore all it can do is direct the existing sound at it's "normal" levels and possibly reduce muzzle flash.

POWDER is the largest component of muzzle flash, milspec issue powder actually doesn't use much - hence the M16 in 5.56 having more flash than an equivalent .30-06 civilian load out of the same length barrel. And no, it's not incomplete burning of the powder, that's done in the first few inches. It's the superheated gas coming out of the muzzle that creates the slight fireball most experience. The residue is so hot it's glowing.

For an indoor gun used at short ranges - under 21 feet - keeping the muzzle down isn't necessary at all. Nobody uses brakes on Desert Eagles at 7 feet, no brake is needed on a AR15 inside houses. Noise IS a significant factor, most use a linear compensator like the Levang, BRT, STD, or others. They have no side ports, which means all the blast is directed forward and that puts the high decibel sound wave another 90 degrees further from the shooters ears before impact. It's the side and upper ports of a brake that cause the muzzle to stay down that also increase the noise for shooters. For the most part the average buyer of one isn't skilled enough to enjoy any incremental increase in getting back on target and scoring a 9 instead of 8 ring shot. They are largely superflous in the intermediate cartridge family of use and mostly sold for cool factor because a few top 1% 3Gun shooters use them.

If you want to dampen the noise down get a set of amplified muffs and then you can hear people shuffling around in the next room. Save the suppressor money for a green laser and you'll stlll have over $700 left for ammo.

Now lets discuss the driveway alarm, what dog makes a good pet, door and window intrusion alarms, etc. We are talking about one accessory on a last ditch answer to everything else going total fail. Normal for a gun forum but incidental to the real Home Defense plan.

 

[Acera]

I've never had one, but isn't the "flaming pig" muzzle device designed to basically send all the sound downrange, making SBRs less concussive from the shooter perspective? I don't know what it would do for recoil. Anything that actually mitigates recoil (a compensator) will have to do so by redirecting gas sideways or back, so I think without a suppressor you can get a device that does one or the other (reduce either perceived concussion from the shooter's perspective, or recoil) but not both.

You are correct about the Flaming Pig. It allegedly sends the sound downrange, but at a cost, that is a huge fireball. It also adds a bit of backpressure that helps undergassed guns operate, not that is a huge issue these days. The ATF has approved it, so no issue there.

Buddy has one and he likes it because of the attention it gets at the range. I find its report a bit obnoxious, LOL.




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[Sam1911]

Noveske KX3... that is the device I'm thinking of. I don't think it will reduce recoil, but if you had to shoot an SBR indoors, it would probably be better than a compensator in terms of shooter perceived concussion.

Bingo.

I've stood parallel with one right on the firing line while my buddy shot and could have sworn it sucked the concussion out of the shot somehow. It is a weird effect, but cool. Very nice on shorty firearms.

As other said, flash could be worse, though.

 

[Cbob]

FWIW, KAK and others make various profile "flash cans" that could get you some of what you're looking for. (fyi, I'm too cheap to buy a linear comp)