.308 High Volume Reloading

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Anyone have any experience using Dillon 550B to load .308 (or any rifle for that matter)?

I just got the 550B and was planning on using it for the pistols, but looking at the price of stuff I can reload for the M14S about as cheap as ordering, without all the extra costs of shipping (thereby saving a little $...justification for Dillon).

Which dies would you recommend?...if you use the Dillon rifle dies do you still have to lube the cases?

Probably basic questions, but I wanted to get a sense from some of you before ordering the stuff to proceed...

Thanks for your time.
 
if you use the Dillon rifle dies do you still have to lube the cases?
Yes you still lube.

I started loading 308 on my Dillon, but then got a single stage for more precise loading. The Dillon will get you good mil surp quality ammo if thats what you're after.

I'd use Dillon dies too. Because of the speed of the Dillon, the dies have more playin them so you don't crunch the cases.
 
I load .308 on my 650. There are a couple of things that you might want to do to smooth the process. Mind you, it won't help you load faster, but you will have an easier time of it.

Clean your cases first. When loading a lot of rifle ammo on a progressive, this is a must. I put a good shine on mine by using walnut media with about 1/4 tube of Simichrome polish (put the polish in, run the tumbler for 1/2 hour with the top off).

Use a good spray lube, and get some down in the case neck. Now, run them through the press with only the sizing die in place.

I clean my cases in two steps after this step--it gets the lube off, and also saves the media a little longer. I put the cases in an old strainer, then dunk them in water that's running at a rolling boil for about 2-3 minutes. This gets most of the lube off. I'll shake them around well after I get them out, and let them dry on newspaper for a full day.

Next, it's back in the tumbler for an hour.

Now, re-install your dies, and commence to loading. One tip for progressive reloading with .308--use ball powder! Extruded powders do not meter well, and accuracy might suffer.
 
I do all of my Highpower competition (.308Win for a match M1A) reloading on my 550. I really really love my Dillon FL Carbide sizing die. You still need lube, but it takes about 1/4 the effort to resize as it does with typical FL sizing dies (and you have a much lower chance of getting a case stuck in the die). It will turn out brass on the tight side (almost like a SB die).

Brass prep usually takes me a while. I tumble, then size. Then I wipe off all the lube (you could tumble again instead). I end up trimming every other reload. I like to cut my primer pockets the first time through to a uniform depth (or clean them after the 1st firing) to minimize the chance of slamfire in the M1A, and I also deburr the flash holes (again, first time through).

(I use a cordless drill to spin all my case prep cutters--Lee trimmer, deburrer, primer pocket uniformer, and primer pocket cleaner). Dillon makes a combination sizer/automatic trimmer, but it's spendy and it uses a special, non-carbide sizing die. And it's a little spendy.

Once the brass is prepped, I run in progressive mode to prime, charge and seat (no crimp).

The powder measure will certainly throw consistant enough for match accuracy at short range (300yds or less), but you need to understand it's shortcomings. I would definitely recommend that you polish the inside of the powder funnel (the thing that drops into the powder die). If you don't do this, you will probably find that extruded (stick) powders tend to hang-up or bridge in the funnel from time to time. Getting a smooth consistant stroke on the handle is key. If you bang the press or jar a case up against the bottom of one of the dies, the next charge is going to be pretty heavy. Sizing/seating effort is always going to be somewhat variable, and this will add inconsistancy, so I like to run the press with only one case on the shellplate at a time. I find that if I tap the side of the powdermeasure body before I drop the charge, I get more consistant results. I recommend that you weight and record the weights for 50 consecutive throws, and make a note when the stroke on the press is less than ideal--you'll quickly be able to anticipate out-of-whack powder drops. Mine started to get flakey when the measure was down to 1/4 full. Again, for 200 and 300yds, I was able to get slightly better than 1MoA loads (iron sights, match-grade rifle). +/- 0.3grs is not going to matter one bit. For 600yds, I weighed each individual charge--I am not even sure that it's necessary there for 1MoA accuracy, but it's the standard practice among highpower shooters, and I don't get a lot of opportunities to shoot the full distance--so I go with what works.

If I was working with Max or Near-Max loads, I would weigh each one.

I use short and long extruded powders exclusively because I want to minimize the amount of compensation that I have to use due to temp change.

I've never lost a point due to ammunition induced fliers, even when shooting IMR4064 straight from the powder measure. I got a Harrell powdermeasure for Christmas, but I still use my Dillon to size, prime, and seat.

If you're reloading for a polytech or norinco, definitely get some sort of case gage and use only milsurp brass. Measure a fired case and set your sizing die to bump the shoulder back by 0.002-0.003". The chicoms are notorious for being on the long side as far as headspace. If you set the shoulder back too far (0.005 or more), you'll see case head separations. If you follow the sizing die mfr instructions to set the die, you'll end up pushing the shoulder back by 0.008-0.010". Get a case gage.

Ty
 
:D So the next question...

30cal...you say no crimp? Ever have any FTF problems?

I am loading for a Polytech, so I'll get the case gauge and be sure to check the shoulder...recommendations for which gauge?

Ball or stick powder...which one(s) have given you the best results (I was planning on using IMR 4895 or BLC-2 as most recommend these powders for the 30cal.

Thanks again for your responses...as I said, I like to get someone's opinion who has been there and bypass all the trial and error.
 
30cal...you say no crimp? Ever have any FTF problems?
I've only had one feed incident and that was because I was seating bullets waaaay out and the tip hung on the magazine. Very few highpower shooters crimp--they say it will distort our thin-skinned match bullets. I wouldn't feel bad about crimping a cannelured bullet though. Still, it's not necessary. You don't flare the case mouth like you would on a pistol case and the neck tension should be more than adequate to hold the bullet in place, even in a semi-auto. If the bullets are moving then your sizing die isn't working right (expander ball too big).

I am loading for a Polytech, so I'll get the case gauge and be sure to check the shoulder...recommendations for which gauge?
I have a Wilson, but it won't accept fired surplus brass from my rifle (the neck dia on the gage is too small)--I dunno if that's a gage oops or what. The RCBS Precision Case Mic is nicer, but a little more spendy (I ended up borrowing one of these from a buddy to set my die). You might take a couple spent cases to a gunshow and find a gage that will work there. Sinclair International has all sorts of neat stuff along those lines.

Ball or stick powder...which one(s) have given you the best results (I was planning on using IMR 4895 or BLC-2 as most recommend these powders for the 30cal.
I've only used stick powders--IMR4895, Surplus 4895, 4064, Varget, VhitaV N140. They've all worked well (and the batch of surplus 4895 I have is superb). I have BLC-2, but haven't tried it--again, ball powder is not popular among highpower shooters due to supposed temp instability. As it is, I have to come down a full minute as the sun gets higher. If you have it, you may as well try it.

I've had excellent result with all of the 150, 168gr, 175gr match bullets as well as the 155 and 168 AMax bullets--they all do well out of my 1:10 Douglas bbl and with any of the powders I've tried--always under 1.5 MoA (again, match tuned rifle). I can't get a surplus bullet (147FMJ or the 173gr "Match" FMJ) inside of 2MoA regardless of what I try.

My rifle is in UPS hands, coming back with at Kreiger 1:12". I went with that barrel so that I can spin lighter bullets (Hopefully a Speer 125gr HP TNT will give 1MoA'ish accuracy--they're only $50/500 compaired to twice that for a match bullet) for 200 & 300yds (for less recoil) and use the 175 at 600yds for better wind bucking (the other guy out here shooting the M1A who is at or near the top of the match results is doing that).
 
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