308 scope help savage M10

Burris or Vortex opinions please

  • Diamondback Tactical 4-12x40 riflescope. VMR-1 MOA reticle

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  • Burris 4.5 x-14 x -42mm Fullfield II Ballistic Plex Riflescope

    Votes: 10 100.0%
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looking at these two scopes any opinions will help, Vortex or Burris both have the same warranty ?
Burris 4.5 x-14 x -42mm Fullfield II Ballistic Plex Riflescope
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Diamondback Tactical 4-12x40 riflescope. VMR-1 MOA reticle

Price is under $250 or either one , Rifle will be primarily paper punching out to 300 yards for now

Thanks
 
Not on your list. . . .but I vote a Leupold, used or new.

I've never owned a satisfactory scope that wasn't a Leupold (or better). The others look great until you spend a half-hour on the rifle and your eyes are killing you from the strain of cheap glass.
 
What about the SWFA SS 10X?
Bet they go on sale around the 4th.
Last sale was $250.
AO, 30mm tube and target turrets. If wanting tacticool that might be worth a look.
Good reviews on YT.
Thinking about one myself.

If you are a set and forget type, maybe look elsewhere.
If you're gonna click for ranges, mess w various loads............might be the preferable model.



 
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They make it in fixed 6X too.
Hunting guns, yeah, like to dial down to less X, but for paper............IMHO a straight 10 or 12X aint bad.
Had a 10X on a 700 BDL .243 and a 12X on a 700 VSF .22-250 (Leupolds).
A bit much for some chuck shots, but 150 and out, not a prob.
Paper...........when testing reloads, I like a min of 12X.
 
If I don't sell my heavy bbl 10/22 proly slap a SWFA on it.
Or maybe get one for load testing, put on various rifles when developing handloads.
Don't have a varmint rifle per se', or a heavy sniper rifle.
If I had a pretty rifle, and wanted long range........Leupold 4.5-14X (if I get a Ruger #1 B or a Weatherby MkV).
Will go to the big city gunshow next month and try to see if anybody has SWFA there.
My buddy had a couple but moved up to Nightforce.
Not married, no kids..............he has the $ for nicer stuff LOL
 
My LGS has the Burris Droptine 4.5-14X Adj Obj.
I like the reg type crosshair w two extra marks on bottom wire.
Scope is decent looking too.
It doesn't have the distortion at edge like my new Leupold Freedom EFR 3-9X does.

The Burris is not US made.
Might bother some folks. Its Philippine, not Chinese.
The SWFA is IIRC Japanese.

I remember some TC scopes made in Japan in the late 90s and they were very nice, as is their 2.5-7X pistol scope currently available.
Dunno who makes it for them.
Dunno who makes the scope for SWFA.
Can search YT for vids on it and see. Think they said Bushnell.
Now is that Bushnell or a company Bushnell has make scopes for them?
I dunno.

Just saying, look around and do some research.
 
The Burris has tempted me, not gonna lie.
Could use it as a hunter and mess around on range.

The SWFA would be just a range scope due to fixed power (and of higher mag).
Wondered about just saying screw it and go 6X for hunting.
But it's a heavy scope.

30mm w thick tube wall...........not the thing to put on a svelte sporter rifle IMHO.
 
Hookeye said:
My LGS has the Burris Droptine 4.5-14X Adj Obj.
I like the reg type crosshair w two extra marks on bottom wire.
Scope is decent looking too.
It doesn't have the distortion at edge like my new Leupold Freedom EFR 3-9X does.

The Burris is not US made.
Might bother some folks. Its Philippine, not Chinese.
The SWFA is IIRC Japanese.

I remember some TC scopes made in Japan in the late 90s and they were very nice, as is their 2.5-7X pistol scope currently available.
Dunno who makes it for them.
Dunno who makes the scope for SWFA.
Can search YT for vids on it and see. Think they said Bushnell.
Now is that Bushnell or a company Bushnell has make scopes for them?
I dunno.

Just saying, look around and do some research.
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"Most" currently made japanese optics are considered top quality for their price class, but Ive had/have very good scopes made in china, phillipines, korea, as well.

Personally id be comfortable with a fixed 10 on any hunting rifle i i current used, IF it had the other specific features i wanted. I the only time ive ever had a real problem with a high power scope, is trying to shoot thru small holes at short range.

Again tho, generally you dont give up a ton of clarity going with a similarly priced variable, as compared to a fixed. BUT many of the well thought of fixed scope, bushnell 10x tactical, SWFA SS series etc, do give you more reliable turrets.
 
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LoonWulf said:
"Most" currently made japanese optics are considered top quality for their price class, but Ive had/have very good scopes made in china, phillipines, korea, as well.

Personally id be comfortable with a fixed 10 on any hunting rifle i i current used, IF it had the other specific features i wanted. I the only time ive ever had a real problem with a high power scope at short range, is trying to shoot thru small holes at short range.

Again tho, generally you dont give up a ton of clarity going with a similarly priced variable, as compared to a fixed. BUT many of the well thought of fixed scope, bushnell 10x tactical, SWFA SS series etc, do give you more reliable turrets.
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i shot a deer a few years ago with my swfa 10, sitting up on a good size field for longer shots. deer came up behind me and i shot her in the head, maybe 25-30 feet.
 
Im not putting a fixed 10x on my 35 rem pump.....hunting the creekbottom. Hell a variable like. 2-7x would be good.....and a. 1-5x better. Mine wears a fixed 4x and i can make that work. Its on there mostly for looks. Did shoot a running buck at 40 yards w it last yr ( in the thicket ). Not ideal imho.......but impossible to accidently leave at higher mag ;)
 
Had a fixed 10x AO in a 700 bdl .243. worked fine on chucks out in field. Shot some in woods w it too. Even offhand. Liked a variable better for hunting....went 4-12x.

But just a range toy? Min 12x for paper. Have heard the SWFA reg models start to show lens inferiority above 10 x. That the model I posted vids on. Reg 299. On sale they go for 250. They do offer higher grade lenses across their line and the price is about double
 
JO JO said:
what do you guys think of this one
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1548612225/burris-fullfield-e1-rifle-scope-45-14x-42mm-matte
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I have the E1 in 3x9. Cabelas used to have them in sale a couple times a year for just north of $100.

I like mine and it is definitely a good scope and more than capable of meeting the demands of most hunters.

If I was to spend $400 I would get a zeiss or Leupold because that is what looks best to me eyes.

I am very curious how the Vortex has 0 votes though. Not even a year ago people on this form and others were die hard fans
 
VoodooMountain said:
Vortex has 0 votes though. Not even a year ago people on this form and others were die hard fans
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Ive been less than thrilled with the lower end Vortex offerings ive looked through. The Diamondbacks are decent scopes, but i think others are "better", and/or offer more features for the same price.
Ive never used the DBTs and given a chance id try one.
 
I didn't vote. I like Vortex, but have never bought anything below the Viper line. Of the OP's choices, I like the Burris for the glass quality, but I prefer the VMR-1 reticle in the Vortex by a long shot. That reticle in the Viper HS-T 4-14x44 would be great in combination with a .308. I'd look for a second hand Viper rather than springing for a new Diamondback.
 
the diamond back tactical has the VMR 1
and the burris has a choice for the E1
Ballistic Plex E1 reticle, and one with the Long Range MOA reticle

Burris

ballistics-plex-e1.png long-rangemoa.png


VORTEX

ret_dbk-tactical_4-12x40_vmr-1_moa_1.jpg
 
OP, I don't own that Vortex scope that you are considering but I have a few of the Burris Fullfield II 4.5-14x42 with Ballistic-plex reticles. I find this scope to be outstanding for the price. And the reticle very much to my liking, which means that it is fine enough for target shooting, but doesn't get lost in plinking or hunting. I don't care too much for the clutter of some of the "long range" and "target" reticles.

I've compared this Burris very carefully to some of my other scopes in the $400-$450 street-price range. I've done this comparison multiple times using an optical resolution chart and "grading" each scope on clarity/resolution and just "pleasant to sight through" which include eyebox size, tendency to "wink out" and the like. Some of the other scopes that I compared it to are of different magnification ranges, so I conducted the comparisons within the common ranges (for example, comparing against a 3-9x, I'd use only the 4.5-9x range on both scopes). Here are some of the other scopes I've compared with the Burris.

Weaver Grand Slam 4-16x44 (I love this scope, much prefer the side focus vs. A/O, but the Burris is at least as good, probably has a minor advantage in optical quality and lack of parallax error)
Vortex Viper 6.5-20x44 (very similar to the Burris optically, but the Burris wins out by a very small margin)
Weaver V-24 (similar to the Burris optically, but the Burris wins by a small margin)
Sightron SII 6-24x42 (very similar to the Burris optically, but the Burris wins out by a very small margin)
Sightron SII 3-9x42 (Burris wins, not close)
Redfield Revolution 3-9x40 (Burris wins, not close)
Weaver RV-9 3-9x32 (Burris wins, not close)
Burris 4.5-14x32 (Burris 42mm version is bigger, clearer, and lacks the parallax error that the 32mm suffers from)
Weaver V-9 El Paso (this scope performed surprisingly well despite the age -- better than the Sightron and Redfilel 3-9x models, but not in the league with the Burris)

I sold my only Leupold scope because they just don't seem to work for my eyes as well as other scopes in the same price category. IME, it takes approximately $500 street price to buy a Leupold that works for my eyes as well as the Burris. I do believe that some scopes work better optically for some people than for other people. I can't prove it, but my experience indicates this to be the case.

All that said, I would go for a nice 6-24 for your stated purposes. I think you will quickly come to appreciate the additional magnification.
 
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