32 H&R mag out of nagant?

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SimplyChad

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Ok heres the deal I've heard about people firing 32 S&W but 32 H&R? I dont have a nagant so is it even possible? And Its cant be safe if you can? Right? Ayone wanna help me out?
 
It's common and it's safe. It just bulges the brass because 7.62 Nagant is tapered, and if you reload you'll want to use Nagant or .30 Carbine (IIRC) dies to keep the brass alive longer.

What's not safe is .327 Federal.
 
While I prefer to shoot ammo designed for the Nagant I have shot 32 magnum with no problems. If you do you will experience case swelling and lose the gas sealing effect of the proper ammo.
 
My Dad has a Swedish Nagant. We've always shot .32 S&W Longs out of it.

Doesn't get shot anymore, really. Ammo price is brutal. the Longs are pretty hard to find locally, and cost more than it's worth to shoot the thing.

Never tried the H&R, but I'm told it's safe. Cost is a factor there too.
 
I've shot both the .32 h&r and the .32 s&w out of mine with no issues. It doesn't seal the cylinder to the forcing cone but that causes no issues that a regular revolver wouldn't have.

Ordering the real stuff has been the cheapest for me though.
 
No prob, the Nagant is built stronger than H&R Mag rounds. I reload 32 Longs with a 95-gr bullet at moderate velocity and they do just fine using 32 dies out of an 1895 Nagant, and the price is MUCH more favorable than buying anything else. I've gotten lucky enough to find several hundred PRvi Partisan brass in the 30 Nagant caliber and those are being reloaded too.
 
Thank you and I want to get the nagant for my wife as a starter piece honestly. Are they really any good to train her on? I dont want to waste the money on a S&W or ruger for her to learn on if she wont actually try at first you know. Of course if she doesnt take the S&W that means I get it. :)
:D
 
The original 7.62x38mmR Nagant military ball ammo (100gr @ 1100 FPS) was kinda equivilant to the .32H&R Magnum. So, it's safe to shoot .32H&R Magnum out of the Nagant. I've done it to no ill effects to the gun & shooter.
The current crop of commerical 7.62x38mmR Nagant ammo is target ammo (98gr @ 850 FPS) and not as hot as the old military grade ammo.

IMO...
I wouldn't get a Nagant as a beginner starter gun.
Trigger pull on the Nagant is really really heavy (13lbs single-action & 20lbs double-action) and you can't really do any mods to make it better.
It's also slow to load due to loading through the side gate.
 
SimplyChad said:
Worse than my 12 lbs pull on my sigma?
Yes.
Single-action trigger pull is around 13 lbs and the double-action trigger pull is around 20 lbs. AFAIK... there is no effective/safe way to lighten the trigger pulls.


Pic of my 1929 Tula M1895 Nagant with a box of Russian 7.62x38mmR ammo and some (100gr JHP @ 1000 FPS) handloads my dad made for it. :evil:
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;)wow thats insane but hey bet it cuts down on accidental fires. And 1000 fps with a 100gr jhp is more then enough for pest control 2 or 4 legged variety
 
Nagant, who needs 'em!

Hi there Gunners,

I have big hands, a Nagant is small, slow loading, reasonably powerful, got a terrible trigger; and ammo is problematic.

They are cute, historic, and cheap. But being on a budget, who needs it?

Just one guy's opinion.

I'll stick with my ancient S&W K frame (M19)

Be Well,

AAW
 
Not a great choice for a first gun, a trainer gun, or even anyhting more than a curio & relic type of thing.

Trigger feels like dragging a cinder block through a gravel parking lot. The gas-seal system where the cylinder goes forward is a really complicated solution to a problem that nobody cared about. They are strong guns and they do work but o-mi-gawd they are not what you'd call a "fun" gun.

Find a well-used S&W model 10 and your wife will be happier!
 
I have 2 of those Nagant revolvers. I'm really tempted to ream one of them out with a .30 Mauser reamer and get a 1,260 round case of surplus 7.62x25 ammo and remote fire it to see how long it takes to come apart...
 
Hi Navy,

I've been around guns a long time. The idea is interesting. Maybe you could loan the gun and a thousand rounds to someone you don't like and stand far away. Really, I would not do such a thing 'cause even if it was not a malicious act that could get you in trouble, because it's "not nice to hurt people". Technically speaking (and here I don't know what I'm talking about), when you cut metal to ream it out, don't you interfere with the temper and strength of the cylinder dramatically. You have to accomodate the wider body of 7.62X25 case. And how about the pressure differential between the two rounds. Sounds to me like an idea you ought to skip.
 
Yes.
Single-action trigger pull is around 13 lbs and the double-action trigger pull is around 20 lbs. AFAIK... there is no effective/safe way to lighten the trigger pulls.

That sounds pretty excessive. Earlier this week I was doing dry fire practice with my Nagant in DA, and though I didn't measure it, I could swear that the trigger pull wasn't more than 13-14 lbs in DA.

That said, if you want to shoot the Nagant cheaper, get a .32ACP cylinder and have it fitted. .32ACP is weaker than the original Nagant round, but don't cost much more than 9mm to shoot. I'd also wager that .32ACP will be around long after 7.62 Nagant (and even the .32 Mag) is completely unprocurable.
 
Reaming out to .30 Luger might be safer than .30 Mauser; you'd have to remove a lot less metal. (still not a good idea)

That gives me another bad idea. :) I wonder if .30 Carbine could be severely downloaded, and use deep-seated bullets (wadcutters maybe) so it would fit in the cylinder? Now how to get it to headspace in the original cylinder...
 
I reload the .32 H&R mag Starline cases loaded to the high end of .32 long specs, just about the start load for .32 H&R mags, useing HP 38 and home cast 95 gr. Alox lubed trunceated cone profile bullets.There is a mod to lighten the trigger, google is your friend. mine has about an 8 lb single action let off and double goes off at 12 to 14lbs.
 
That said, if you want to shoot the Nagant cheaper, get a .32ACP cylinder and have it fitted. .32ACP is weaker than the original Nagant round, but don't cost much more than 9mm to shoot. I'd also wager that .32ACP will be around long after 7.62 Nagant (and even the .32 Mag) is completely unprocurable.

While you're getting it fitted, have the cylinder reamed to accept .32 mag brass. Now you can shoot .32 acp, .32 S&W long, and .32 mag without bulging cases.

Also there are some fairly simple things you can do to improve the trigger pull. The Nagantman's channel on youtube has great stuff on where to polish. A google search will find the tip how to preload the trigger arm of the mainspring to reduce trigger weight (but do yourself a favor an grind the sharp edges off of whatever nut you use).
 
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