357 maximum vs 350 legend

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Ok guys in my mind two very similar cartridges so in your eyes who wins this

A) 357 maximum

B) 350 legend


Why did you pick A)/B)?
 
350 legend . It's newer :)

The reality for me is that I want a 35 caliber rifle. So the 35 Remington or 350 legend are about the only common options. And the Legend has the AR option.

Of course 358 Winchester and 35 Whelan have their fan base but very few if any modern rifles are available.


357 max? Aside from a TC contender I havent seen any rifle chambered for it.

So to answer your question: 350 Legend
But as to which 35 caliber rifle is better? Well it's obvious isn't it?:thumbdown:
 
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Some guys took the Ruger #1 CHP's and reamed them to Maximum.
Neat rifle.

If I found a non roll marked CHP for decent I'd be tempted to do that.
If rebarrelling, would go .35 rem.

But I have a Rem 760 in .35 now, and it shoots very well.
Tempted to snag a 7600 in .30-06 and have JES rebore to .35 Whelen.

.350 Legend a lot of guys around here are wanting, for PCR specs. Even guys that have private land (where reg HP rifle legal).
If going non PCR, I'd get 6.5 Grendel.
Might do an upper for my kid to use.
 
Neither.

One is for AR which is utterly yawn inducing and the other is for... well...single shots and a few revolvers.

Granted the .350 is chambered in bolt actions and single shots too.

I already have too many ARs set up for hunting in what I consider superior all the way around chamberings compared to the Legend. Even in the straight wall states.
 
If you want a bolt action or AR15, or if your going to buy factory ammo, then 350 legend then 350 legend is it. In a single shot I would be happy with either.

I have a contender pistol in 357 maximum and love it, but if the 350 legend had been available when I bought it I might have gone that route. The advantage I see to 357 max is you use 357 mag carbide reloading dies so it is easier to reload and no trimming.
 
In single shot rifles or pistols, I would choose the max.
In bolt action or semi auto, I would choose the 350.
Neither are in the same class as the 35 Rem. Which is a great moderate recoil hunting round.
The 35 Whelen is just impressive in both recoil and effect on target.
 
Neither are in the same class as the 35 Rem. Which is a great moderate recoil hunting round.

They are actually pretty darn close. At least if you are talking about 35 rem at standard pressure anyway. My 13" 357 max will push a 180 grain XTP to 2200 FPS. A 20" barrel would match the 2300 FPS max listed for 35 remington load data in hodgdons book.
 
I'd think either out of similar strength actions would be a wash or close enough to not make much of an appreciable difference.

A full tilt boogie 357max out of an Encore would probably best the Ledgend out of an AR, but put both in an Encore and I'd think they're neck and neck.
 
I have a max because it existed first. I doubt I’ll get a legend because I have a 458 and 450, .30, 6.5, etc but never say never...
 
I have a contender pistol in 357 maximum and love it, but if the 350 legend had been available when I bought it I might have gone that route.

I find I appreciate a rim for Contender cartridges. I find the .357 Mag/Max case easier to remove from the chamber than something like a .223 Rem. With the rimless cartridges, I find I have to snag the rim with the rim of another cartridge. Not so with a rimmed cartridge. They're easy to pluck out by hand.
 
The 350 legend is actually a 9mm not the same as a 357. The only advantage I see is that it shoots very accurately . Its a pointed boolit also, that has very little drop out to 240 yards, its maximum potential for deer and smaller game. Advantage 2 over the 357 max is that Mike Bellm Is having a hard time getting the Max off the ground. It uses pistol boolits and the 350 legend has a designed rifle boolit and one is a hunting round. I talked with Mr Bellm at length about the Max. He is very passionate about it. Maybe if he went with another platform other than single shot rifles. But the 350 legend has an actual big ammo/rifle company pushing theirs. Rifles and ammo. Also there is already a BFR Revolver in 350 Legend. Ruger is making other rifles in the 350 legend along with other companies. The AR platform is a BIG industry and is selling out constantly of the Legend. Make no mistake. The Legend is here to stay. Yes it is similar to the Max, and is slightly out performed in power. But the Legend in a 16-24 inch barrel is very accurate and is a real rifle boolit. Balistics by the inch changes very little, from 16-24 inch, only about 180 FPS. It does have a place in the 250 yard hunting range. But what it has that is most important is BIG backing. I would bet it is here to stay.
 
Forgot to mention. A Winchester 147 gr range round can be had for $11.00 box of 20. The hunting round for a few dollars more.The Max has a tad more power but the Legend has better accuracy and balistically. it is more powerful than a 30-30 with less recoil and more accuracy. If I didn’t have a Grendal AR upper, a 6.5 Creedmoor Henry Long Ranger,and a Marlin 444P outfitter, I would be interested in buying a Legend bolt or AR upper.
 
Forgot to mention. A Winchester 147 gr range round can be had for $11.00 box of 20. The hunting round for a few dollars more.The Max has a tad more power but the Legend has better accuracy and balistically. it is more powerful than a 30-30 with less recoil and more accuracy. If I didn’t have a Grendal AR upper, a 6.5 Creedmoor Henry Long Ranger,and a Marlin 444P outfitter, I would be interested in buying a Legend bolt or AR upper.
The ballistically more powerful than a 30-30 is marketing smoke and mirrors.
They are nearly identical at the muzzle is you use standard 30-30 ammo. 30-30 has higher bc with 170's so it loses less velocity.
If you compare Leverevolution ammo or hand loads, there is no comparison.
 
The 350 legend is actually a 9mm not the same as a 357.
This isn’t true, and you should know better by now.
Well, yes and no. The SAAMI specs call for a .355 groove diameter and a .346” bore diameter.

They also call for a bullet diameter of .3570” - .0030”. So a bullet as small as .3540” would still be in spec.

So technically both are correct.

The SAAMI specification can be found at https://saami.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/350-Legend-CC-Drawing-Website.pdf

It also doesn’t help that early reports listed this as a .355 cartridge. Or that loading manuals, such as Hodgdon’s online loading guide list data using .355” bullets.

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I guess .357 Magnum’s are 9mm’s also... SAAMI and S&W sure screwed up on the .357 Mag’s specs by giving it a 9mm barrel spec, what a stupid mistake, the .357 Magnum will never take off because they crippled it with the wrong bore specs...

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How much oversize factor should we expect for a sealed bore rifle cartridge? Folks keep referencing 9mm parabellum specs and claiming Winchester screwed the pooch, completely ignoring other standard specifications. The .350 Legend has a maximum of 2 thousandths over-diameter, minimum 1 thou under. Alternatively, 223 Remington has only 1/2 thousandths over groove diameter maximum, with 2.5thou under groove tolerance. 243win specification doesn’t allow any bullet size over groove diameter, and allows bullets as small as 3 thou under groove diameter. 308win? It allows bullets only as large as 1 thou over, and as small as 2 thou under groove diameter...

So it honestly escapes me why folks are so worked up about the 350 Legend specifications. Guys are loading .357” revolver bullets, the spec allows .357” bullets, and there’s absolutely no science to support a .357”-0.003” spec does not pair with a .355”/.346” groove and bore.

But it sure makes guys feel like they’re smart by bitching incessantly about it online!
 
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