44mag rifle load?

[MEHavey]

H110/W296 = Mag Primer
and near full case loading
(Believe it)

 

[Axis II]

I was kind of set on H110 but after reading up on it I see that you almost have to load it at max with a mag primer and its sometimes a compressed load.

being new to reloading and never doing strait walled before how do you guys feel about this?

will be shot out of H&R Handi Rifle.

would like a fast load for hunting but want to be safe.

 

[gotboostvr]

Follow your manual and double check everything and you should be fine.
Start at the starting load and work up slowly.

Light loads can be more dangerous than heavy loads. Slower powders build pressure much more uniformly. Faster powders (like the ones used in light loads) will go from "fine" to "too hot" in the span of just a few 1/10ths of a grain in some cases.

 

[mdi]

I used W296/H110 when I "suffered" from "Magnumitis", but soon wanted more versatility. There is no need for a 240-250 gr LRNFP to go much over 1000 fps for deer as dead is dead and "heavy" loads of 2400 is easier on me and my guns...

 

[MEHavey]

No need to "compress" H110/W296. Just stay midway between Min/Max in the manual(s).**
You DO need to use a Mag primer for consistency. But Mag primers are just another aspect of reloading.
No big deal.

** and yes, you'll be safe -- especially in a HandiRifle.

 

[gotboostvr]

mdi, I'm with ya. I use an 240 XTP, but it's probably "only" doing 1200fps out of my rifle, just cause that's where my accuracy was best. If I was using cast, I'd probably play with different powders and bullets to find something around 1-1100fps with good accuracy.

 

[buck460XVR]

I was kind of set on H110 but after reading up on it I see that you almost have to load it at max with a mag primer and its sometimes a compressed load.

I've run a lot of max published .44 mag loads with a 240 grainer over H110/W296 and never had one compressed. I've found that my carbines(77/44, Marlin lever) like IMR4227 and I generally stick with JSPs for hunting deer. IMR4227 likes to be just slightly compressed or nearly compressed for best results. You do not have to load H110/W296 at max, but you do have to stay above min charge rates. While it has very narrow parameters, it works very well and is very safe within those parameters.

 

[Joshboyfutre]

I've had some decent groups using 200g xtp on 11.5g of hp-38. Hp-38 was all I had so thats what I used lol. I just used Winchester Large Primers, box says for use in standard or magnum loads. A little late I know but figured it might be useful info.

 

[the Black Spot]

I have used imr-4198 before in a handi-rifle and got decent groups at 100 yds. It was a slightly compressed load

 

[TenDriver]

H110/W296 need magnum primers and a good crimp. I've used standard primers with IMR-4227 and AA#9 with good results.

 

[gotboostvr]

If you use Magnum primers and a good crimp you should be fine as long as you stay within the limits put forth in the manuals you should be fine with H110 if you want to use it.

 

[ssyoumans]

Other powders to consider are: Ramshot Enforcer, AA #9, and 2400. All 3 of these have greater flexibility than H110 and will get you within 120 FPS of a max H110 load.
As always, work up and loads and be careful.

 

[cougar1717]

being new to reloading and never doing strait walled before how do you guys feel about this?

H110 is very easy to use and somewhat difficult to mess up as long as you remember three things:
1) Don't go under the minimum charge - Don't try to download it
2) Put a good crimp in the bullet's cannelure - look at **most** factory rounds or pictures of correct examples
3) Use a magnum primer

That's it!

As always, work up a load in your firearm and use published data.

IMHO, the powders that are the most dangerous for newer reloaders are the incredibly fast ones (Bullseye, Titegroup, Zip, etc) as a much smaller variation can cause a large change in pressure.

 

[fouled bore]

I don't know the twist rate of your H&R, but my Marlin has a 1:38 twist and it does not shoot bullets heavier than 240 grain worth a hoot. My data is therefore around 240 grain jacketed bullets. My M1894 shot best with H110/W296. It was through this sequence of cartridge testing that I determined that W296 and H110 were the same thing as the velocity difference per grain was inconsequential. Hercules, now Alliant 2400 is and was excellent powder in this cartridge. Elmer Keith used it in his super hot 44 Specials, back in the 1920's, and when the 44 Magnum was introduced in the 1950's, that is what he used in his revolvers. The classic Elmer Keith 44 Magnum load is a 240 grain bullet with 22.0 grains 2400.


Anyway, I recommend W296/H110 for rifles but understand, you can't cut the powder charge. With H110/W296 it is either full magnum loads or nothing at all. Since you will be using this in a rifle I assume you will want all the velocity you can get.

[SIZE="3"][B]M1894 Marlin Ballard Barrel[/B]


240 Speer JHP 22.0 grs 2400 CCI 500
21-Dec-01T = 54  °F

Ave Vel =1747
Std Dev =21
ES =68
Low =1717
High =1785
N =7

240 Nosler JHP 24.0 grs W296 WLP Fed cases
23-Mar-05T = 65° F

Ave Vel =1725
Std Dev =7
ES =21
Low =1715
High =1736
N =5  


240 Nosler JHP 24.5 grs W296 WLP Fed cases
23-Mar-05T = 65° F
Ave Vel =1752
Std Dev =12
ES =28
Low =1735
High =1763
N =5  


240 Nosler JHP 24.0 grs H110 WLP Midway cases
23-Mar-05 T = 65° F

Ave Vel =1710
Std Dev =3
ES =9
Low =1705
High =1714
N =5  



240 Nosler JHP 24.5 grs H110 WLP Midway cases
23-Mar-05 T = 65° F

Ave Vel =1745
Std Dev =12
ES =45
Low =1723
High =1768
N =10


240 Rem JHP 24.0 grs H110 WLP Midway cases
23-Mar-05T = 65° F

Ave Vel =1719
Std Dev =10
ES =29
Low =1705
High =1734
N =10[/SIZE]

Slamfire, I see you are loading .5gr over Hodgons load data and .7gr over Noslers data with the Nosler 240 JHP. Did you see any issues?

I have some loads worked up between 23 and 24gr of H110 with the Nosler 240gr JHP. I don't like going up to max load but I hear that the best load with H110 is 24gr. I also have been trying 240gr XTPs but so far I have not like how they have done.

My gun is a Rossi R92 carbine.