gvnwst
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6.5 X 55 Swede and its performance this year....
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Fella's;
Much of the effectiveness of the 6.5mm bullets can be explained by S/D. Sectional Density, or heavy for caliber bullets tend to penetrate better than wider bullets of the same weight. Combine a high S/D and a high B/C (Ballistic Coeffecient) and you tend to get high performance.
A large part of the appeal of the Swede is that that high performance comes without the high recoil impulse of high velocity. Why Remington felt the need to re-invent the Swede is beyond me, as the whole short action nonsense is just that, non sensical, to me.
900F
Much of the effectiveness of the 6.5mm bullets can be explained by S/D. Sectional Density, or heavy for caliber bullets tend to penetrate better than wider bullets of the same weight. Combine a high S/D and a high B/C (Ballistic Coeffecient) and you tend to get high performance.
A large part of the appeal of the Swede is that that high performance comes without the high recoil impulse of high velocity. Why Remington felt the need to re-invent the Swede is beyond me, as the whole short action nonsense is just that, non sensical, to me.
900F
mordechaianiliewicz
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Aha. My theory, probably not true. (Atleast after I checked some books and websites on physics).
But, sectional density. I think CB900F discovered the reason. Still wonder about it's exact hydrostatic shock effects, but that largely is a function of velocity.
But, sectional density. I think CB900F discovered the reason. Still wonder about it's exact hydrostatic shock effects, but that largely is a function of velocity.
Tequila jake
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I've read in several reliable sources that 6.5 seems to be the best compromise for a general-purpose military rifle cartridge. It may not be the best choice for 1500 yd sniper shots, nor best for punching through hardened targets, but its mild recoil and excellent sectional density make it a good general-purpose choice.
I currently use a 7mm-08 for whitetail deer hunting here in the Hill Country and it works fine, but am giving serious thought to changing to a 6.5mm Swede. (I know, I know--if the 7mm works, why change? For the same reason that I buy a new car when I don't need one....)
Tequila Jake
I currently use a 7mm-08 for whitetail deer hunting here in the Hill Country and it works fine, but am giving serious thought to changing to a 6.5mm Swede. (I know, I know--if the 7mm works, why change? For the same reason that I buy a new car when I don't need one....)
Tequila Jake
Pretty much everything I have read is positive on th 6.5 . Folks talk about its mystical killing power, not sure about that but I have a theory.
The guys who push for the newest super maxi mag are the ones least likely to shoot much , either because they don't have the time or they can't stand paying $2 a shot for the uber wonder mag.
The guys with the older milder calibers are a bit more likely to spend some time shooting and are more likely to get off a decent shot.
Now of course I realize there are some good shots who choose to run a heavy magnum , and also plenty of just plain crummy shots around but I will put my money on the guy who can land his mild bullets where he intends over the guy who is hopeing the extra power he has is somehow going to make the deer fall over dead.
The heavy recoiling guns can just be very dificult to shoot well!
The guys who push for the newest super maxi mag are the ones least likely to shoot much , either because they don't have the time or they can't stand paying $2 a shot for the uber wonder mag.
The guys with the older milder calibers are a bit more likely to spend some time shooting and are more likely to get off a decent shot.
Now of course I realize there are some good shots who choose to run a heavy magnum , and also plenty of just plain crummy shots around but I will put my money on the guy who can land his mild bullets where he intends over the guy who is hopeing the extra power he has is somehow going to make the deer fall over dead.
The heavy recoiling guns can just be very dificult to shoot well!
Fella's;
In the very early 50's, the Swede won an international Palma match. I don't have my reference material available just now, so don't have the exact details, but do recall that it's certainly accurate enough out to 1000 yards. Given the newer powder technology, bullets, etc., I'd expect a fella could build a pretty good F class gun with the Swede. I don't think it'd carry enough energy out there to be a good game-getter, but I'd consider that point moot anyhow. Damn few people should be taking that long a shot on a game animal regardless of the cartridge.
900F
In the very early 50's, the Swede won an international Palma match. I don't have my reference material available just now, so don't have the exact details, but do recall that it's certainly accurate enough out to 1000 yards. Given the newer powder technology, bullets, etc., I'd expect a fella could build a pretty good F class gun with the Swede. I don't think it'd carry enough energy out there to be a good game-getter, but I'd consider that point moot anyhow. Damn few people should be taking that long a shot on a game animal regardless of the cartridge.
900F
Shawnee
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"Damn few people should be taking that long a shot (1000yds.) on a game animal regardless of the cartridge."
Gotta agree with Ya, CB900F.
Fact is, I'd say darn few people should be taking a shot at game at half that distance regardless of the cartridge.
Gotta agree with Ya, CB900F.
Fact is, I'd say darn few people should be taking a shot at game at half that distance regardless of the cartridge.
mr.trooper
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I'm not surprised. My M38 Swede shoots MOA with Irons, and kicks the least of any MilSurp iv ever experienced.
The 6.5 is a wonderful all purpose round. NOW you realize how silly you've been, and how much money youve wasted, all these years over-killing your deer with belted magnums.
The 6.5 is a wonderful all purpose round. NOW you realize how silly you've been, and how much money youve wasted, all these years over-killing your deer with belted magnums.
Supertac45
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Go with a lighter round than 140 gr. for deer. It's a great cartridge.
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deerhunter61
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Shawnee,
I agree as well. For whatever the reason it seems there are quite a few folks that want to shoot game at that distance and I really so not understand why someone would want to risk wounding an animal out to that distance. The problem I have is with the variables. At that distance is does not require a lot of wind to blow a round off line which in turn could wound an animal. So lets say someone shoots an animal at a 1000 yards. Does not knock it down but just wounds it or even mortally wounds it...at a thousand yards it becomes dramatically more difficult to identify where the animal was when shot, unless you have someone with a great spotting scope who stays where the shot was fired and leads the shooter to the spot. Even this could still be difficult to find the trail of the animal...I just have a hard time believing making a shot like this is more important than the life of the animal.
For those who want to see if they can make the shot why not just put up a life size target of an animal of choice and shoot at it? If you hit it...HOOORAY! WAY TO GO! And no animal was at risk...
I agree as well. For whatever the reason it seems there are quite a few folks that want to shoot game at that distance and I really so not understand why someone would want to risk wounding an animal out to that distance. The problem I have is with the variables. At that distance is does not require a lot of wind to blow a round off line which in turn could wound an animal. So lets say someone shoots an animal at a 1000 yards. Does not knock it down but just wounds it or even mortally wounds it...at a thousand yards it becomes dramatically more difficult to identify where the animal was when shot, unless you have someone with a great spotting scope who stays where the shot was fired and leads the shooter to the spot. Even this could still be difficult to find the trail of the animal...I just have a hard time believing making a shot like this is more important than the life of the animal.
For those who want to see if they can make the shot why not just put up a life size target of an animal of choice and shoot at it? If you hit it...HOOORAY! WAY TO GO! And no animal was at risk...
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