7.62 x 25 Holy Grail?! Enter the OTs-27 "Berdysh" pistol

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If you think about it...any 45 acp or 10mm capable gun could be converted to the Tokerav. The length of the bullet is the limiting factor...kinda like 38 super.

In fact....I suspect if you had a .38 Super gun, a barrel change would be all that is required. The mags, ejector and extractor should work for the Tok........

HMM???????????????????????????????/

shoot well and god bless
 
I'd be fine with a .38 super with a 7.62x25 barrel, I'd just love a nice double stack that fits my IWB rig and doesn't go "bang" unless I want it to. :) I don't know enough about gun-smithing to know what mods it would take, but if I could get the parent gun for around $300-$400 and have a barrel made for less than $200 I'd buy it! Of course, I would need to palm the parent gun to see how well it fits me. I have had no problem with all but a few double stacks, and the CZ 52 fits my hand nice, but it would have to fit my hand much better than the Beretta 92F (had to use to qualify with in the Air Force) or the Ruger P89. I could definitely accept lower capacity for a better grip, but would hope to have a 15rd mag, but even as low as 12 would be acceptable.:cool:

Where's a good place to start looking for a decient .38 super to mod? I have no info on them, aren't most competition pistols?:confused:
 
I'd be fine with a .38 super with a 7.62x25 barrel
there could be some problems in doing that, as the OAL for 7.62x25 is 1.377 in while OAL for .38 Super is 1.280 in. So it is almost 1/10 of an inch difference, which most probably will require a new, longer (front to back) magazine and enlarged mag channel
 
I remember seeing this topic before. The 7.62x25 is too long to fit in a standard 1911 frame.
 
+1 on the last couple comments. 7.62x25 is too long for converting a 10mm or 45 ACP mag well to accomodate it. If it was that easy, we'd see a lot of 7.62x25 handguns out there. The fact that you'd have to special build a frame for that specific round is the limiting factor.
 
You couldn't shoot the surplus ball ammo through such a pistol, it would be too long, but hollowpoint 7.62x25 ammo is commonly loaded to OAL that will work through a 1911 magazine.

David
 
Is that OAL for ball ammo? What is the OAL of the 7.62 with HPs? Perhaps the build could be done if it was limited to HPs?
 
Did I read right on the worldguns link that gun is a direct blowback design?

I always had understood that direct blowback pistols ran into major problems when you get into calibers more powerful than 9x18 or 9mm kurtz.
 
antsi...not really. They are just not very common. The recoil spring has to take the recoil and hopefully delay the slide going back until the pressure drops to a safe level. Hi Points do it.......other not so popular guns have done it also.

Shoot well........
 
PCRCCW - I thought I remember reading about some 9x19 blowback or other that had to have a fluted chamber to keep the expanded brass from sticking in the chamber. Seems I remember a couple of other Rube Goldberg type fixes for design problems with powerful blowback pistols. You say these type guns aren't very popular - maybe that's one of the reasons why.
 
Antsi, the gun with the fluted chamber you are referring too is the H&K P7 (unless there is some other out there I don't know about). Though, AFAIK this was done to aid in extraction and is incredibly effective. In fact, it's so effective that people have done tests and there is actual video out there somewhere (saw it on Youtube or Google video) showing how, because of the fluting and blowback design, even with the extractor completely removed the gun still operates perfectly and ejects spent shells properly.
 
The Astra 600 9x19 is a pure blowback also, it has a very heavy recoil spring because of this. I have two as well as two 9mm largo Astra 400's and I like them well. I used to have a EAA .380 which lost its extractor and it would still operate reliably and eject the brass w/o it.
 
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