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7.62 X 25 Tok Conversion Question

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Does anyone know anyone (company gunsmith etc.) who does conversions to 7.62 X 25 Tokerev? I have been curious how this cartridge would act in a smaller framed pistol.

I have seen conversions in Glocks and 1911's (though mostly .22lr, but also 10mm or 440 Corbon for the G-21)

I know it's supposed to be one heck of a penetrator, yet has a low recoil (not bad for a carry piece? eh?)

I was looking at possibly converting a Kahr arms K series (As in a K-Tok?) or Sig.

Any thoughts or suggestions?
 
The more important probleme, with this kind of conversion, is the cartridge lenght.
The 7,62 Tokarev cartridge is about 0,6cm ( 0,225" ) longer than a 9mm luger.
It is 0,3cm ( 0,12" ) longer than a .45ACP, too.

And the base dimension is different, too !

So, it is really not simple to convert a gun to such a cartridge ! You have nearly to build a new gun :neener:

EDIT : Well, maybe a .38 revolver would be easier to convert. But be aware that you need a long barrel ( 4" minimum ) to have the best of this cartridge.
 
Catridge length is the killer...have seen a conversion of a Colt GM 9mm, but it wouldn't run with ball ammo; needed reloads with just a little less OAL, so the conversion was pretty much a waste of time.

OFf hand, can't hink of any commerical 9mm handgun with enough length in the grip...certainly haven't measured them all, but of the ones I have, they all come up a little short.
 
Tok in a revolver? Gaaah.

Have you ever seen the 'holy s***!!' muzzleblast that comes out of the front of a Tok or CZ firing the round? Now imagine that in a revolver. I sure wouldn't wanna be holding it. The pressure wave could be downright dangerous, I'd think, along with the possibility for debris back at you?

The Soviets never did it, and never tried adapting the Nagant revolver for it to save resources (at least publically, they might have blown up a few in testing), so that should tell you something. The Soviets never entirely abandoned a platform unless they HAD to, or the replacement was cheaper to make. :D
 
The Soviets never did it, and never tried adapting the Nagant revolver for it to save resources (at least publically, they might have blown up a few in testing), so that should tell you something. The Soviets never entirely abandoned a platform unless they HAD to, or the replacement was cheaper to make.
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That tells me that the Nagant cylinder was too thin to take Tokarev pressures. Don't see how this would bear on adaptability of a different revolver platform.

BTW, as far as dimensions, the 9mm Parabellum and 7.62 Tokarev have a common acnestor - the .30 Mauser. The rim diameter is the inherited bit.
 
The Communist Chinese converted 1911s from .45 to 7.62x25. Some came in with the big loads of Broomhandle Mausers when they surplused those to us Round Eyed Devils. I presume they captured them from the Chinese Nationalists who got them as WW II support, and converted them when they ran out of .45 ACP ammo we supplied with the guns.

The work was very crudely done and the guns in very rough shape, don't know that I'd care to fire one. Wish I had looked at one closer, though. I don't know if the barrels were replaced or relined or what they did to get the long cartridges in the magazine, or how they adapted the breechface and extractor. I do recall that the ejection port had a notch cut to extend it so you could clear a loaded round.
 
The conversion of the 1911 .45 platform to 7.62x25 requires removal of metal from both front and back of the magazine well, a new magazine, and alteration of the slide, the extractor and the ejector, in addition to, of course, a new barrel. It is not a conversion anyone would do except under the press of necessity.

Jim
 
I believe they did it in Vietnam during the Vietnam war. I saw it in the December issue of Small Arms Review.
The welded up the breechface and re-milled it to fit the Tokarev round, they used a slightly modified TT-33 magazine and they removed metal from just the front of the mag well and not the back. Small Arms Review article said thet the metal was paper thin after they removed the metal.

They also said the oppening on the top of the slide was enlarged like Jim Watson said in the earlier post. The first rib of the locking lug of the barell was now exposed.


Oh, and the barrel was lined with a 7.62 one. They didn't mention the extractor or the ejector in the article.
 
You might be able to find a 10mm that would work, but the 7.62x25 ammo that I have won't fit into the 10mm magazines I own (G20).
 
You're right on the Hi Power, it was .30 Luger, not Mauser. The .30 Luger OL is 1.15, the Mauser is 1.36.
 
7.62 x 25 in other guns

I have several CZ 52's and Tokarevs. The 9mm bbl that importers offerred with that gun works surprisingly well and accurate. I shot my 9mm Lee 124 gr truncated conical cast bullets in it into 2.5" bulls at 15 meters. The gun takes 9mm and 7.62 x 25 real well.

When I started reloading 7,62 x 25 I observed on one occasion at the range my slugs (cast Lyman 311516 -115gr. M-1 carbine spire points) arrive to the paper sideways. HUH! My loads dont keyhole ! Then I saw the ejecta. They werent 7.62 x 25 cases (anymore) the shoulders were gone. I had forgotten to remove the 9mm bbl.

Now I wonder, tongue in cheek, if a 7.62 x 25 slug arriving into some miscreants body as a keyholing slug might do some real damage?

yodar
 
I think its time for firearms companies to give us a modern handgun in 7.62X25. I would like a carbine too! I think that Taurus is the kind of innovative company that might be tempted to give it a try.
 
Why not just spend $139 on a CZ-52 or $300 on a Tokarev and spend the rest of your $ on ammo and have fun.

Converting another gun to use the 7.62x25 would be a waste of time and $.

I'd love a Carbine in 7.62x25.

Maybe we should petition Hi-Point or Kel-Tec to make one?
 
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