A little info on m1 garand and m1 carbine

[realmswalker]

I picked up an m1 garand and an m1 carbine about 3 months or so ago, I was wondering if anyone can give me any info on these rifles. Here are the details.

M1 carbine. On the rear of the receiver it is stamped Winchester with serial number 1124904. On the front top of the receiver on top it is stamped U.S carbine cal 30 M1. The barrel is stamped buffalo arms 11-1943. It came with an original issued green carrying bag. Paid 500$. barrel and stock in good shape.

My M1 garand is stamped on the rear of the receiver it says U.S rifle cal. .30 M1 springfield armory serial number 3849082. On top of the bolt it has a set of number D28287-12SA then right below these number it has s-B7 and then the shape of a diamond right next to the 7, diamond is same size as the letters. In the stock it has what looks to be the original field cleaning kit including the bolt takedown piece a large wire brush with a piece of plastic in the end. five or so pieces of metal that screw into each other to make a cleaning rod, encased in old green tubular piece of green canvas. Also came with original issued green carrying bag. Barrel and stock in good shape. It has been glass bedded and has a match trigger. paid 900$. Pics can be provided if needed.

Any info such as history and are these original parts and such would be awesome. It would nice to know i didnt get ripped off also.


Thank you.

 

[30Cal]

Sounds like about the right price assuming they work and don't have any major flaws (ie an M1 with a 2-groove barrel and/or welded receiver).

The Garand was built June 1945. The -12 bolt is the post war version--maybe original to the rifle, may not be (I don't know when it was cut in). A GI barrel will have a date on behind the oprod (ie "4-45-SA"). There's a high likelihood the rifle's been rebuilt 2 or more times.

More M1 barrels have been worn out by that segmented cleaning rod than by firing. They don't stay straight and you have 3 opportunities to ding and abrade the muzzle crown with each pass.

 

[fredcwdoc]

I can't speak for the carbine but your Garand was built in 1945. April or May more than likely. The numbers on the bolt are the drawing number and the heat lot. The correct bolt should be a D28287 19SA with a heat lot of B-17 or A-9 depending on the exact month of manufacture. There were a few different types of cleaning kits that fit into the butt stock. You will find numbers on the barrell, the op rod, not sure about the trigger housing if it is a national match. Check the left side of the stock real good and see it there are any stampings in it.

Go to the Civilian Marksmanship Program website and they have some good information on the Garand. Also check their prices and paperwork requirement. After you do you may want to purchase one or two more.

Joe Poyer and Scott Duff both have excellent books on the Garand and I would sure recomend you get one or all.

30 Cal., the 12 SA bolt stopped in early 1944 and the 19 SA started after that. I base this on Duff's SN's & Data sheets.

 

[Hacker15E]

For info on your Garand, I suggest you look:

Springfield Armory Part Numbers -- Will list what the correct part numbers for individual assemblies will be correct for your serial number.

Garand serial number tables can be found here and here.

Looks to me like your Garand is a June 1945. Look at the date on the right side of the barrel...if it is within a month or two on either side of 6-45, it's probably an original barrel (there are other ways to tell, but that is the most likely and easiest to see).

Is there an import mark on the side of the barrel?

 

[realmswalker]

Thank you for all the info, I will look for more markings later have run now. Quick replies and good info, Gotta say once again I love this site.

 

[1911Ron]

If you want to find out when your Garand was rebuilt look on the receiver leg when you take it apart, mine said LEAD 64, for Letterkenny Army Depot 1964 it is written in electric pencil.

 

[Swampy]

1911Ron wrote:

If you want to find out when your Garand was rebuilt look on the receiver leg when you take it apart, mine said LEAD 64, for Letterkenny Army Depot 1964 it is written in electric pencil.

If your rifle has some sort of marking that is, of course, a great indicator that the rifle has been through an arsenal rebuild..... however, the vast majority of rifles that were rebuilt have no markings at all to indicate when or where.

The best indicator of a rebuilt M1 is to look at all the parts. If they are not "factory originals", then the rifle has most likely been through one or more rebuilds..... either in the field, or by a unit armorer, or by an arsenal..... sometimes all three and more than one of each.

Best to all,
Swampy

Garands forever