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Discussion in 'Competition Shooting' started by z7, Mar 10, 2019.

  1. ATLDave

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    I hate those little hex plates for you.
     
  2. Corpral_Agarn

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    LOL

    Yeah. I used to rock those little dudes. That's what I get for being out of the competition circuit for a while.
    My brother commented: "you know if you slowed down, you could probably save some time."
    Me: "You're right of course, but I used to be able to shoot at that speed AND hit the targets lol"

    Looking at some of the video, I really left a lot of time on the table. Lots of room for improvement but apparently most of the competition had similar issues, so that's good, I guess
     
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  3. ATLDave

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    One of the monthly USPSA matches near me is run by guys who are really a 3 gun crew and who have also gotten into the PCC division hardcore. They love stupid little pieces of steel at distances that are quite demanding on iron sight shooters.

    Now that I'm shooting an open gun this year, I am less bothered. Little things far away with iron sights... gets tiresome for mediocre shooters like me.
     
  4. Corpral_Agarn

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    I hear you. the PCC thing has had an interesting affect on the sports.

    I want to believe that I am just out of practice. But who knows...

    The pistol shooting was my strongest discipline comparatively, and I leaned on it quite a bit.
     
  5. ATLDave

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    Yes, despite confident assurances that PCC would adapt to a pistol match rather than the other way around, it has caused some real changes in match administration, rule interpretation, and stage design. It does seem popular, though, so maybe it's all for the best.
     
  6. Corpral_Agarn

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    I adore my PCC (Macon Armory 45acp DI on a dedicated 45 lower. runs on Glock mags) but I haven't shot a pistol match with one yet.

    It's only been used at a multi gun match twice, but I don't have the $$$ for Open Division level gear so I usually just go Limited (no PCC's).

    maybe someday.

    I don't know how I feel yet about overall scores, but I don't sweat it too much. Focus for me is to have a good time and do the best I can.
     
  7. ATLDave

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    My grumbling about PCC's has virtually nothing to do with HOA (although in smaller matches, overall results are really are that's worth looking at with all the divisions these days), but about how USPSA HQ didn't carefully work through some things. For instance, when I took my RO class, I was taught that the reason the rules expressly forbade having a shooter's hand even touching a gun (holstered or not) or even a magazine (in a pouch or in hand) before the buzzer was "safety." Yet it was deemed safe to allow PCC shooters to start virtually all stages with their loaded gun in their hands... meanwhile, no corresponding rethink of the rule on pistols.

    Not only does this lead to an absurd logical disconnect (how is having a hand on a holstered pistol less "safe" than holding a loaded PCC?), they also removed one of the fundamental challenges of the game for PCC shooters. Until PCC came along, the first challenge on every stage was to obtain a firing grip on the gun. As anyone who has "missed their grip" on the clock can attest, this is not a step without some risk of a less-than-perfect result. Shooting a stage with a janky grip, or having to take half a second to sort it out, definitely changes outcomes. PCC rarely has to worry about that, because HQ didn't seem to give any consideration to this. And uprange-facing starts and other challenges also went away - things that are otherwise universal across divisions.

    Moreover, because so many PCC shooters are now used to starting stages with their gun in their hands (thanks to a total lack of guidance from HQ on how to keep these challenges in place for PCC), if you do things to restore that challenge - such as requiring PCC's to start on a table or barrel - then PCC shooters get indignant and contend that you are trying to "punish" them. I guess that's true, but only where punish=have to do the same things/equivalent things as everyone else in the match.

    Meanwhile, less clever MD's think that they're going to "slow down the PCC guys" or "give them a real challenge" by making targets smaller and farther away. This reminds me of when the old white guys in charge of professional golf got their feelings hurt that Tiger Woods was outdriving all the country club kids and winning too much. So they decided to "Tiger Proof" courses by making them so long that TW could no longer hit driver, 9-iron into par 5's. OK, so then Tiger hit driver, 5-iron, and the other guys were having to play them as 3-shot holes. Tiger won more. Our less-bright MD's do the same thing, throwing distant steel and 25 yard partials out there, and the only people not feeling anxiety about those shots are the PCC dudes.

    Anyway, that's all water under the bridge. USPSA HQ screwed it up, and there's not really a good path to un-****ing it at this point. The game is still fun, so it doesn't really matter all that much.
     
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  8. Corpral_Agarn

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    all good points, really.
     
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