I was curious to know how many military people on active duty are able to CCW, being all the restrictions that the military puts on private firearm ownership I was wondering if this is even possible while living in on base housing such as dorms, or townhouses. I know that in dorms you have to keep your guns locked up at the armory and I'm pretty sure that nearly all military bases forbid CCW even with a permit due to being federal land. Would you have to stop at the armory on your way off base to pick up your gun? I would imagine it being just like anyone else if you are lucky enough to live off base. Any of you active duty folks care to cast some light on the subject?
Active duty military and CCW?
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RevDisk
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Generally, no. And if you are caught CCW'ing, it's a serious matter. Except for folks like CID, ONI, etc, solders are not allowed to CCW on the base. Different posts have different policies, but I haven't seen one yet that allowed CCW for the average grunt.
Most posts are not very friendly towards personal weapons either.
Most posts are not very friendly towards personal weapons either.
When I had my concealed carry permit I was stationed at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. There were signs along the road pretty much everywhere you either went into or through the installation, basically stating that concealed carry is prohibited on post.
I lived in government housing on post, and would carry when going directly to and from my quarters and off post.
As stated previously, the regulations pretty much made it impossible for the soldier living in the barracks to carry concealed, if his personally owned weapon was stored in the Arms Room.
Chris
I lived in government housing on post, and would carry when going directly to and from my quarters and off post.
As stated previously, the regulations pretty much made it impossible for the soldier living in the barracks to carry concealed, if his personally owned weapon was stored in the Arms Room.
Chris
Lennyjoe
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If you live in the dorms your hands are pretty much tied. Weapons MUST be stored at the armory.
As for Gov quarters living. You can keep your weapons on base in your house, unloaded of course. As for CCW. You are required to unload your weapon and seperate your weapon and munitions before entering the post. Once you leave post you can load up and assume the roll.
Does that mean that I unloaded every time I came thru the gate. No. BUT if you get caught with a loaded weapon at the gate expect some sort of Non Judicial punishment.
I came thru the gate one night with my CCW but I unloaded it and stored it under the passenger seat (Mini-Van) and put the magazines in the pouch on the drivers side door. I got pulled over for a random inspection and I told the SP that I had a weapon on board (unloaded of course) and I told him I was a CCW holder. He asked for my license and of course my Mil ID and said thanks for pointing that out. The dog reacted to the gunpowder smell and pointed out the pistol and mags. Good training I guess. They sent me on my way without a problem.
A kid here purchased a 9MM from a buddy one time before going to work. Well, he left it on the passenger seat loaded as he was coming thru the gate. Of course the SP seen it and apprehended the individual. He got an Article 15 for disobeying a direct written order. He claimed he did not know about the order and forgot to unload the weapon.
You need to know the Regs for your post before bringing weapons on board.
As for Gov quarters living. You can keep your weapons on base in your house, unloaded of course. As for CCW. You are required to unload your weapon and seperate your weapon and munitions before entering the post. Once you leave post you can load up and assume the roll.
Does that mean that I unloaded every time I came thru the gate. No. BUT if you get caught with a loaded weapon at the gate expect some sort of Non Judicial punishment.
I came thru the gate one night with my CCW but I unloaded it and stored it under the passenger seat (Mini-Van) and put the magazines in the pouch on the drivers side door. I got pulled over for a random inspection and I told the SP that I had a weapon on board (unloaded of course) and I told him I was a CCW holder. He asked for my license and of course my Mil ID and said thanks for pointing that out. The dog reacted to the gunpowder smell and pointed out the pistol and mags. Good training I guess. They sent me on my way without a problem.
A kid here purchased a 9MM from a buddy one time before going to work. Well, he left it on the passenger seat loaded as he was coming thru the gate. Of course the SP seen it and apprehended the individual. He got an Article 15 for disobeying a direct written order. He claimed he did not know about the order and forgot to unload the weapon.
You need to know the Regs for your post before bringing weapons on board.
Thumper
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Air Force...Jeez... Lenny, Kate says you and Lee have permission to tell the hidden AR story, but she warns that it might be one of those "you had to be there" deals.
No Hun farm for you? It's only a 25 hour drive. The battlin' Bronco's probably appreciative, though.
manwithoutahome
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Ex Air Force:
Dorms: You had to store in the Armory. Ammo also. If you had ammo in the dorm room, they would read you the miranda and then search (happened once okay).
Base housing: Guns allowed but I don't know if they had to be unloaded or not, I got off base housing.
Going to the base range: Sometimes they opened up the base range for shooting. You told the guard at the gate and you had to go directly there (no stopping at the BX, Class 6, ect.). When you left, directly out. Gun had to be unloaded and boxed away from ammo while on base.
Going to work: You could carry your gun to work but you had to inform the guard at the gate. You then went directly to the armory (they were expecting you) and put it in. After work you went to the armory and got your weapon, and went directly from the armory to the gate without stopping (no BX, Class 6, etc..).
Come to think of it, it was strange that you are on a base that has a multitude of M-16's and side arms on a multitude of barely shaving men/women yet everyone wasn't allowed to carry or have while on base. Think they really didn't trust their own? (just food for thought).
Wayne
Dorms: You had to store in the Armory. Ammo also. If you had ammo in the dorm room, they would read you the miranda and then search (happened once okay).
Base housing: Guns allowed but I don't know if they had to be unloaded or not, I got off base housing.
Going to the base range: Sometimes they opened up the base range for shooting. You told the guard at the gate and you had to go directly there (no stopping at the BX, Class 6, ect.). When you left, directly out. Gun had to be unloaded and boxed away from ammo while on base.
Going to work: You could carry your gun to work but you had to inform the guard at the gate. You then went directly to the armory (they were expecting you) and put it in. After work you went to the armory and got your weapon, and went directly from the armory to the gate without stopping (no BX, Class 6, etc..).
Come to think of it, it was strange that you are on a base that has a multitude of M-16's and side arms on a multitude of barely shaving men/women yet everyone wasn't allowed to carry or have while on base. Think they really didn't trust their own? (just food for thought)
.Wayne
UnknownSailor
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Carrying is expressly against regulations on base. That being said, the local security has a place for you to drop your firearm, should you carry to work. Since our security is outside the gates (but not off post), you can do that. Barracks rats have to check their stuff into the armory. Housing requires you to "register" your stuff, so dispatch can notify officers responding to a call in housing if a firearm is present. Obtaining a Washington St. permit isn't discouraged, officially or unofficially.
I was friendly with my base armorers, since I worked in their department, and was able to carry concealed in civies many places. Like, into the armory, and to the range. They knew me personally, and knew my training level, so they didn't bat an eye. Hell, I left my guns with one of them when I went on deployment this year. I bought their targets for them to shoot at, and the wood for the target stands, so they damn well better not hassle me, or they don't get their stuff.
I imagine were I to try that with armory folks who didn't know me, things would have worked out differently....
I was friendly with my base armorers, since I worked in their department, and was able to carry concealed in civies many places. Like, into the armory, and to the range. They knew me personally, and knew my training level, so they didn't bat an eye. Hell, I left my guns with one of them when I went on deployment this year. I bought their targets for them to shoot at, and the wood for the target stands, so they damn well better not hassle me, or they don't get their stuff.
I imagine were I to try that with armory folks who didn't know me, things would have worked out differently....
GigaBuist
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It's threads like this on THR that caused the following to occur to me.
I'm a civilian -- but I went to a military base to visit a buddy a state or two away. Knowing stuff like this I checked my firearms in the house to make sure they were all accounted for. Good, no possible way for a gun to be in my car when I depart.
I get almost all the way there and start realizing that I didn't scan my hidden compartment in the trunk for ammo. Fits boxes of 7.62x54R rather snuggly. So, I get gas and check. Nothing... then I moved a towel -- BINGO! My idiot self finds a box of 100 rounds of 20 gauge target loads. I've got no idea if this is going to be legal to take on base. I ponder just how likely it is dogs would alert on my car with some shotgun shells in there -- then I realize that I've had weapons in that trunk many many many times that have just been fired. Residue is probably everywhere. If they're looking, they'll alert.
Scan the parking lot, wondering if I can just give away a box of 20 gauge shells to anybody. That'd be what I prefer honestly. I'm in IL though so I have no idea what the legality is. I don't see anybody with an NRA bumper sticker, or Molon Labe hat, but found a guy with a TN license plate on an RV. Didn't even ask -- no idea how that'd be received.
Buggered down the expressway pondering my options... I don't know of any way of SAFELY just throwing the stuff away... so I guess I'll hide it somewhere and pick it back up.
Pull off the expressway in a town that has absolutely NOTHING in it... lots of farming country. Ventured about 6 miles off the beaten path (and that path wasn't very beaten) and dumped it on the side of the road for the day. I'd be back tomorrow to pick it up -- looked like a dry spot, so it probably wouldn't ruin it. It was raining though, so I figure some of them went dead -- we'll find out someday.
Found it the next day on the way back. I brought back passengers this time, and they all got a kick out of the story when I pulled off the expressway in the middle of nowhere.
I'm a civilian -- but I went to a military base to visit a buddy a state or two away. Knowing stuff like this I checked my firearms in the house to make sure they were all accounted for. Good, no possible way for a gun to be in my car when I depart.
I get almost all the way there and start realizing that I didn't scan my hidden compartment in the trunk for ammo. Fits boxes of 7.62x54R rather snuggly. So, I get gas and check. Nothing... then I moved a towel -- BINGO! My idiot self finds a box of 100 rounds of 20 gauge target loads. I've got no idea if this is going to be legal to take on base. I ponder just how likely it is dogs would alert on my car with some shotgun shells in there -- then I realize that I've had weapons in that trunk many many many times that have just been fired. Residue is probably everywhere. If they're looking, they'll alert.
Scan the parking lot, wondering if I can just give away a box of 20 gauge shells to anybody. That'd be what I prefer honestly. I'm in IL though so I have no idea what the legality is. I don't see anybody with an NRA bumper sticker, or Molon Labe hat, but found a guy with a TN license plate on an RV. Didn't even ask -- no idea how that'd be received.
Buggered down the expressway pondering my options... I don't know of any way of SAFELY just throwing the stuff away... so I guess I'll hide it somewhere and pick it back up.
Pull off the expressway in a town that has absolutely NOTHING in it... lots of farming country. Ventured about 6 miles off the beaten path (and that path wasn't very beaten) and dumped it on the side of the road for the day. I'd be back tomorrow to pick it up -- looked like a dry spot, so it probably wouldn't ruin it. It was raining though, so I figure some of them went dead -- we'll find out someday.
Found it the next day on the way back. I brought back passengers this time, and they all got a kick out of the story when I pulled off the expressway in the middle of nowhere.
SMLE
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It just boggles my mind that the MILITARY is so freaking hoplophobic.
It wasn't at one time, my Brother used to sit on his footlocker and reload 44Spl with a Lee Loader. He was in the USMC in '68-72. Kept his Colt SAA in the squad bay.
It wasn't at one time, my Brother used to sit on his footlocker and reload 44Spl with a Lee Loader. He was in the USMC in '68-72. Kept his Colt SAA in the squad bay.
straightShot
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I got randomly searched a few weeks ago. I didn't have a pistol with me, but they did ask where the bow was to go with all of the arrows in my trunk that I forgot to put away. I was then on my way.
Unless you're authorized to carry, carrying firearms on federal facilities is prohibited.
Unless you're authorized to carry, carrying firearms on federal facilities is prohibited.
RevDisk
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Considering military bases are such a target, and all the guns are locked up...
Northwest Cajun
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I live off base....it's not a problem. If I transport them across the base( quickest way to the freeway)I lock the cases and seperate the ammo. If asked by the gate guards(civillians) I tell the truth. Havent had to yet though.
When I lived in the dorms 10 years ago, all my guns stayed at a married coworkers house off base.
I guess if I were ever stationed overseas and could take my guns, things would be different. ( thats not to say I havent been to 30+ countries TDY) but all brought on those trips was my "A" bag. I only have 5 years left so that most likely won't happen.
Cajun
I live off base....it's not a problem. If I transport them across the base( quickest way to the freeway)I lock the cases and seperate the ammo. If asked by the gate guards(civillians) I tell the truth. Havent had to yet though.
When I lived in the dorms 10 years ago, all my guns stayed at a married coworkers house off base.
I guess if I were ever stationed overseas and could take my guns, things would be different. ( thats not to say I havent been to 30+ countries TDY) but all brought on those trips was my "A" bag.
I only have 5 years left so that most likely won't happen.Cajun
The particular base commander has a great deal of say in how weapons can be transported, and stored, on base. In general most have similar policies.
Unless you are a fed LEO (including Army-CID, AFOSI, and NCIS) do not expect to ever carry concealed on base. This includes off duty MPs. Some commanders will allow storage of personal weapons in family base housing, but not in the dorms for single enlisted personnel.
Check with the gate guards before you enter base with a weapon. Unless you have specific authority to do so, DO NOT enter a military base with a loaded weapon.
Unless you are a fed LEO (including Army-CID, AFOSI, and NCIS) do not expect to ever carry concealed on base. This includes off duty MPs. Some commanders will allow storage of personal weapons in family base housing, but not in the dorms for single enlisted personnel.
Check with the gate guards before you enter base with a weapon. Unless you have specific authority to do so, DO NOT enter a military base with a loaded weapon.
Langenator
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True, true. Bases I've been stationed at:
Ft Lewis, WA; Ft Benning, GA, Ft Leavenworth, KS: required ALL personnel living on post to store POWs (personnally owned weapons) in unit arms rooms. All weapons that were going to be brought on post to be fired (Benning and Lewis have POW ranges; all three allowed hunting in some areas of post) had to be registered with the MPs.
Ft Jackson, SC: married pesonnel living in on post housing can keep their POWs with them. Soldiers living in the single soldiers complex must keep them in unit arms rooms. All weapons must be registered with MPs.
Germany: all weapons in unit arms rooms. However, I've heard that due to a change in the status of forces agreement, troops are no longer allowed to bring firearms with them. Not sure if Uncle Sam provides secure storage or not.
Browns Fan
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As a retired soldier who has a ccw, and lives off post but works on post, what ever your career can handle!
Honestly though, no way.
Honestly though, no way.
AR-15Nutt
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i am retired Navy, i live near an AFB, i called base security & asked them about my CCW, the sargent told me the state of Arizona laws apply on base as well as off base..........
Lennyjoe
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The individual who qouted this to you is dead WRONG!
Do Not, I repeat, Do Not attempt to CCW on base.
If your caught you will automatically be detained and charged.
If you need it, I will produce the Base Regulation explaining such.
Langenator
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Military installations are federal property. State laws apply only at the discrection of the installation commander.
Just so you know, if you get a DUI while driving on post, you go to federal magistrate court, and your conviction will be a federal one. Same goes for any weapons charges.
Just so you know, if you get a DUI while driving on post, you go to federal magistrate court, and your conviction will be a federal one. Same goes for any weapons charges.
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