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There are some incorrect and/or misleading or meaningless statements and cliches that come up so often that it would be worth addressing them again so that people do not rely on them. Here are a few.

Should anyone have any questions about the reason that any of the the statements below do not represent viable positions in discussions of lawful civilian self defense, do not hesitate to ask.

This was written a little over four years ago, but it apparently fell into a crack. Thanks to the other staff members for helping to craft this.

We hope you find this helpful.

"A Good Shoot is a Good Shoot"

Well, it is, but unless it was just an element of carefully written fiction or part of a textbook, and all of the facts are given to us, or unless an entire real-world incident was recorded from beginning to end from multiple vantage points on a sound stage, we have no way of really knowing whether a "shoot" was a "good" one, because we cannot know all of what actually happened. Whether a shooting was justified will have to be determined on the basis of the totality of incomplete, fragmentary evidence. That evidence may be contradictory; eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable, and if the person against whom force was used, or if anyone who is sympathetic to the person, provides testimony, one can almost guarantee that it will not be favorable to a shooter who claims to be a defender. It may seem obvious that an act was lawfully justified, and it may in some cases be rather obvious, or it may not. Any contradictions in the shooter's account that may surface, anything that my indicate that the shooter may have been predisposed toward the use of force, or anything that may damage the shooter's credibility, could make the shooter's day in court a most unenviable one.

"He was Cleared by the Police (or Grand Jury, Etc.)"

The police can recommend against charging someone, and a Grand Jury can recommend against prosecution, but neither action will prevent a citizen from being charged in the future. The only things that can prevent that, other than the death of the actor, are a trial and acquittal, an executive pardon, the dismissal of the case with prejudice, or the expiration of the statute of limitations. The last of these never occurs in a murder case.

"In My House, I Can Legally...."

In most jurisdictions, a person in his or her occupied domicile need not retreat, and in most jurisdictions, a resident may, if certain conditions are met, be afforded a presumption that force was justified, but that does not give anyone "permission" to harm anyone else. The laws involving justification remain the same. We have a sticky on that one.

"In My State, if the Use of Force Was Justified, I Cannot be Sued"

In some jurisdictions, a civil court can, if provided with enough evidence, protect a defendant against civil liability by preventing further legal proceedings. But neither an acquittal in criminal court nor a decision by the State to not prosecute can be counted upon to suffice in establishing that the act had been lawfully justified, because the burden of proof in civil court is lower than in criminal court, and because the rules differ. We have a sticky on this one, too.

"A Person in My House Who ... Has Forfeited his Rights"

No, No, NO! That will be determined by others, through due process. Also, it is extremely important to realize that while a person may lawfully use necessary force to defend, no one has the right to use force to punish except through specified judicial processes.

"There Has Never Been a Self Defense Case Decided Because...."

There is a lot wrong with that one. First, unless one has interviewed all of the jurors in all of the trials in the country and determined just what things influenced them in what ways, one cannot know what things have led to the outcomes of jury trials. Second, it really does not matter whether a defendant intended to self defense or not--a case was only a self defense case if the relevant instructions to the jury made it one. Thirdly, when it comes to matters of law, such as whether the testimony of a particular expert witness was admitted into evidence, it doesn't matter at all what the case happened to be about. Finally, the number of trials that my have involved a particular factor is unknown, and it is quite possible that the factor in question has only existed in a very small number of cases, or that it was not necessarily an important factor at all.

"A Single Punch Can Kill"

Yes, it can, and it might, but that does not mean that a single punch constitutes deadly force--force that could reasonably be expected to cause death or serious bodily harm.

"He Was on My Property, and I was Exercising My Second Amendment Rights"

There are two issues here: first, the Second Amendment pertains to the right to keep and bear arms, and it has nothing to do with use of force law; secondly, when it comes to use of force law, the fact that on is on one's property in the great outdoors does not generally provide a person with more justification to use force than the person would have on someone else's property.

"There is No Law Against Brandishing in My State"

That's true in many jurisdictions, but that does not mean that the intentional exhibition or display of a weapon for the purpose of threatening someone else, or to persuade someone to do something or to dissuade that person from doing something, would not constitute a crime ,unless the actor is lawfully justified. In most jurisdictions, it would be justified only under circumstances in which the use of deadly force would be justified. In a few places, the threshold for justification is lower, but it still requires that the use of force be lawfully justified. We have a sticky on the subject. Incidentally, one should never assume that the legality of open carry would justify the intentional display of a concealed weapon for purposes that would not be lawful if open carry were not permitted.
 
Excellent analysis. This posts, and others in Legal are some of the quintessential examples of legal analysis likely found on the internet.

The work of the forum’s moderators is greatly appreciated!

As a retired LEO investigator I can concur it is the totality of the circumstances, the reasonable person doctrine, and due process, all working in concert that determines the jury analysis and outcome of a deadly force/use of force scenario.
 
Here’s a case that addresses most of the legal use of force issues we discuss. Caveat: I was involved from the crime scene, witness interviews, interrogation, autopsy, and trial testimony.

It begins with a common variety love triangle, i.e., two men vying for a woman’s attentions. The scene was at a local establishment that sold adult beverages. Officers summoned to the bar observed a deceased adult male in a sitting position leaning against the right front tire of a vehicle in the parking lot, approximately twenty-five feet from the front door. The vehicle’s trunk was open and a tire iron was observed on the ground just outside of the screen door.

Seven witnesses and a bartender were in the establishment when the event unfolded. Three of the witnesses stated they were in the toilet when they heard shots coming from the area of the bar. Interesting since the necessary room occupancy was small and limited to one customer at a time.
The other four witnesses made statements regarding the event and gave testimony at trial.

The witnesses declared the bartender was engaged by the soon-to-be decedent in the parking lot. The two men were arguing aggressively, gesturing and threatening one another. According to the witnesses, the argument was more than noteworthy and they believed violence was soon to occur, and they were correct.

The deceased man was heard to state, “I’m going to get my thing,” and he abruptly turned and exited the building, slamming the screen door as he left. Witnesses stated the bartender immediately came from behind the bar and stood approximately five feet in front of the now closed screen door with a .32 acp in his right hand.

Now, here is where it gets interesting. Upon exiting the bar, the still alive, but not for long victim,
went to the rear of his car in the parking lot and retrieved a tire iron. This was the same car officers observed upon arrival. Witnesses stated the tire iron armed man stopped approximately five feet outside of the bar when he observed the bartender point the .32 pistol and aim it at him. He then raised his right arm over his head with the tire iron held in his right hand and shouted, “don’t shoot!” Witnesses stated the bartender shot several times in rapid succession through the screen door as the victim turned to flee.

Autopsy found five bullet wounds in the victim. Shot one went through the right arm pit and penetrated the right lung and heart. This round did not hit the bicep. The remaining four struck the victim in the posterior plural cavity and thoracic cavity, damaging both lungs and the liver. The victim expired against the right front tire of his vehicle where officers found him.

Physical evidence at the scene corroborated witness statements. The bartender stated he thought the victim was going to get his gun, and he thought his adversary had a gun as well as the tire iron. During interrogation, the bartender stated he believed the victim was going to throw the tire iron at him through the screen door barrier or shoot through the screen door into the bar. The tire iron was a lever style 24” long with a sharp end for hub cap removal and a single 13/16” lug.

You already know this case went to trial. What charges do you think were brought against the bartender? What do you think the jury’s verdict was?
 
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Let me expand on the homicide scenario. First of all, the physical evidence included five fired brass cases that forensics said came from the .32 acp and all of the fired bullets were recovered from the victim and matched the rifling from the pistol. Also, the bartender admitted shooting the victim and the witnesses corroborated the bartender’s rendition of the chronology. It is an absolute certainty, the highest level of proof, that the bartender shot the victim five times through the screen door, once in the right arm pit and four times in the back as the victim turned and moved towards his car where he died against the right front tire in a sitting position, twenty-five feet from where the first round struck his body.

Was the shooting justified? Our county prosecutor didn’t think it was justified and charged the bartender with first degree murder. Put together the totality of the circumstances and analyze why the county attorney charged the defendant with murder one. Perhaps the fact the victim was shot four times in the back while attempting to flee the kill zone had something to do with the state’s decision to charge the bartender. Perhaps the bartender waiting in ambush at the screen door moved the state to file the 1st degree murder charges. Also, the victim did not have a firearm, only the tire iron. The victim’s statement he was “Going to get his thing,” didn’t mean he was getting a firearm according to the prosecutor..... it could have meant the victim was only getting a tire iron. What would a reasonable person believe upon hearing that statement? Could the tire iron be construed to be a deadly weapon and would a reasonable person conclude the threat to be immediate with the screen door as a barrier to employment of the tire iron? Or, would a reasonable person believe the screen door could be easily defeated by throwing the tire iron through the screen door; thereby, causing great bodily harm to the adversary on the other side of the screen door?

I haven't revealed the jury’s verdict, yet. Consider the defense’s claim of self defense. What would you argue if you were defending the bartender? Base your analysis on the totality of the circumstances and what a reasonable person would conclude. Hint: What effect is the weapon (the .32 acp) having in the scenario?

I’ll reveal jury’s verdict following your considerations. Please don’t fail to respond out of fear of getting the verdict wrong. After all, you have a 50-50 opportunity of being right!
 
I am not at all surprised by the charges.

It would seem to me, based on what has been recounted here, that the shooter would not be able to support the condition of imminence--jeopardy, opportunity, or ability.

The victim's not moving, the existence of a screen door, "don't shoot"....

I learned long ago to not try to predict jury verdicts.
 
I am not at all surprised by the charges.

It would seem to me, based on what has been recounted here, that the shooter would not be able to support the condition of imminence--jeopardy, opportunity, or ability.

The victim's not moving, the existence of a screen door, "don't shoot"....

I learned long ago to not try to predict jury verdicts.


I wasn’t surprised by the prosecutor’s decision to charge the bartender, either. The case was critically analyzed by investigators and the county attorney. The conclusion was the bartender had time to evaluate his adversary’s movement as he left the bar to go to his vehicle’s trunk because witnesses stated he followed the victim immediately and stopped approximately five feet from the door, observing the victim from a distance of approximately forty feet. The bartender watched the victim return with the tire iron in hand, but the victim could not see the bartender due to the dark interior of the bar until he was only ten feet from the bartender.

The screen door was thought to be a barrier that could not be defeated by the tire iron. It was determined the only way the tire iron could have penetrated the screen door would be if it struck the screen point first, i.e., on the tip used to remove hub caps. This was evaluated as a very low possibility which negated the threat of deadly force as employed by the victim. However, no testing was done on the original screen door to determine this hypothesis.
 
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I am not at all surprised by the charges.

It would seem to me, based on what has been recounted here, that the shooter would not be able to support the condition of imminence--jeopardy, opportunity, or ability.

The victim's not moving, the existence of a screen door, "don't shoot"....

I learned long ago to not try to predict jury verdicts.
 
The way you laid it out it sounds like a slam dunk guilty verdict. I will say he was found not guilty.
Both you and Kleanbore are on the right track; however, one thing I learned as an investigator was to think like a defense attorney. What is procedurally necessary to get the case to trial and what am I missing that defense will use to argue self defense?

Hint again: Knowing the limitations of a .32 acp as far as its “stopping power” what would this play in the outcome of the shooting? The screen door is critical if the state argues it could defeat the tire iron. Remember, the bartender thought the victim was going to throw it at him. The actual screen door was brought into evidence, so it couldn’t be tested to determine if the tire iron would have defeated the screen. What do you think the defense attorney will say about the prosecutor’s position that the tire iron would not penetrate the screen?

Remember, every trial asks the jury to consider the totality of the circumstances and what a reasonable person would do within the confines of these circumstances.
 
Premeditated murder was excessive. Voluntary manslaughter at most. Otherwise, any preparation to use force in self defense would qualify as premeditation.

Let's go through Andrew Branca's elements of a self defense claim:
  • Innocence. Regardless who provoked the argument inside the bar, it was over when tire iron guy left and the bartender remained inside. Tire iron buy retrieved the tire iron and returned to the bar. He is the aggressor.
  • Imminence.
    • Ability. Tire iron guy was holding an impact weapon..
    • Opportunity. Very low probability that throwing the tire iron through the screen would injure the bartender. However, they were only ten feet apart (five feet outside to five feet inside) and the door would barely slow down tire iron guy. To stop him in time, the bartender would have to score a central nervous system shot or an immobilizing leg shot. Low percentage with any handgun let alone a .32.
    • Jeopardy. Tire iron guy announced that he was going to retrieve "his thing" from his vehicle and did so. However, jeopardy ended when he said, "Don't shoot" and turned to run away. For me, the critical question is the time line from raising the tire iron to the last shot. If it took only a couple of seconds, I can see a reasonable argument that the bartender recognized a valid deadly threat but didn't have time to recognize that tire iron guy had changed his mind. "Don't shoot" isn't equivalent to "I quit." That the first and fatal shot hit tire iron guy in the side doesn't bother me. It's well established that a perpetrator can turn 90° or more in the interval between a defender's deciding to shoot and pulling the trigger. The stress of the situation makes aborting the response even more difficult. For the same reason, I can believe a burst of shots as fast as the trigger can be pulled. However, if it took several seconds, that is, the later shots were spaced out, they were fired at a clearly retreating target who was no longer a threat.
  • Proportionality. A tire iron is a deadly weapon capable of crushing a skull.
  • Avoidance. Depends on whether the state is stand your ground or includes a business under castle doctrine. If neither, bartender would be expected to retreat when he saw tire iron guy retrieve it.
  • Reasonableness. Given tire iron guy's threat, it was reasonable for the bartender to arm himself as a precaution. However, when he saw tire iron guy returning, weapon in hand, he could have closed and locked the front door. (In a hard stand your ground state, the jury would not be permitted to include this in their deliberations.)
My vote as a juror would depend on the time line and on state law on retreat and its application to reasonableness. To avoid a guilty vote for voluntary manslaughter, the bartender would have to win on all three.
 
Kendahl, you are right on, but let me add testimony by the witnesses. They testified the shots fired were so rapid an accurate appraisal of the correct number of rounds fired could not be ascertained. When the witnesses were interviewed independently, their renditions corroborated each other. Also, the bartender stated during interrogation that he was not able to determine if any of the rounds had even hit the victim.

The screen door is a critical element for a successful prosecution or a defense claim of self defense. Your analysis the screen door would not be much of an obstacle was also offered by defense counsel. Under cross examination all of the witnesses testified they believed the victim was about to open the screen door when the bartender discharged his weapon. The witnesses testified the victim was moving towards the entrance with his arm raised when the first round was fired by the bartender.

The defendant did not take the stand in the trial. The prosecutor did not have any lesser sentence in the jury instructions, so they were left with 1st Degree Murder as the only option to consider.

Would a reasonable person believe they were in immediate danger of great bodily injury or death when evaluating the totality of the circumstances in this matter? The jury deliberated the case and delivered a not guilty verdict.
 
...any preparation to use force in self defense would qualify as premeditation.
Nope.

Being armed does not mean that one intends to shoot someone.

There is no established minimum time required for premeditation. It could be as little as one second.
 
Nope.

Being armed does not mean that one intends to shoot someone.

There is no established minimum time required for premeditation. It could be as little as one second.

I had a 1st degree homicide case that demonstrates the one-second premeditation. The suspect shot his victim while standing on the sidewalk approximately fifty feet from the victim who was positioned in the entrance to his house. The suspect employed a Remington 870 with buck shot. The suspect had called the victim and threatened (not with death or GBI) him over the phone. An hour later he arrived in his car, parked in front of the victim’s house and positioned himself on the sidewalk, holding the shotgun. When the victim stepped into the entry way to his house with a handgun the suspect fired, killing the victim with one round.

When interrogated, the suspect stated he did not Intend to shoot the victim but only wanted to scare him, but when he saw the victim had a gun, he fired in self defense. The investigator asked when he took the weapon off safe and the suspect, without benefit of counsel, stated he took the shotgun off safe as he walked from his car to the sidewalk before he saw the victim in the doorway.

The prosecutor was able to demonstrate premeditated murder from this admission. The defendant was convicted of 1st Degree murder.
 
The suspect had called the victim and threatened (not with death or GBI) him over the phone. An hour later he arrived in his car, parked in front of the victim’s house and positioned himself on the sidewalk, holding the shotgun. When the victim stepped into the entry way to his house with a handgun the suspect fired, killing the victim with one round.
As a juror, I would have started the premeditation clock at the threatening phone call. Given that the victim left the safety of his residence to confront an armed person who had recently threatened him, this looks like mutual combat.
 
What state, is this a stand your ground state?
Bartender knows the guy is going outside to "his thing".
Bartender maybe watches him thru the screen door go to & from his car with his thing?
Bartender should have / could have escaped out the back door......
Ill guess its guilty Bartender...

Todd S.
 
What state, is this a stand your ground state?
Bartender knows the guy is going outside to "his thing".
Bartender maybe watches him thru the screen door go to & from his car with his thing?
Bartender should have / could have escaped out the back door......
Ill guess its guilty Bartender...

Todd S.


I also thought the bartender would be found guilty at trial, however, as I stated he was acquitted. The defense successfully argued to the jury a reasonable person would believe he/she was in immediate danger when the deceased stated he was going to get his “thing.” The syntax employed by the victim was well understood by the witnesses and the bartender. The nouns gat, gun, rod, etc. all meant to the witnesses and bartender the same as “thing”.

Soooo, remembering the requirement of considering the totality of the circumstances, the jury concluded it was reasonable for the bartender to follow his adversary to the threshold with his own pistol. The fact the bartender stopped at the threshold is very important. Had he opened the screen door and followed his adversary the circumstances may have favored the victim.

As I indicated, the screen door was important to both the state’s case and the defense’s argument. While the prosecutor presented the theory the screen door would have defeated penetration by a thrown tire iron, the defense presented the consideration all the victim had to do was move five feet to the door, open it and the screen door would be a non issue as the bartender was only five additional feet on the inside of the building. Witnesses stated the entire episode from the time the victim left the bar and accessed his tire iron and returned to the screen door, to the bartender discharging the .32 acp was estimated at less than a minute. The prosecutor wanted the bartender to wait until the screen door was opened by the victim, allowing him the capability to employ the tire iron before the bartender employed deadly force. The defense was able to persuade the jury this theory was unreasonable and the defendant did not have to give the victim one free swing of the tire iron before firing his weapon in self defense.

My ignorance of handgun capabilities at the time of this homicide lead me to conclude the four rounds to the victim’s back were excessive and contributed to decision to file first degree murder charges. Inexperience of handgun stopping power at the time of this shooting made me believe the first round striking the heart would have immediately caused the victim to drop to the ground, or at the very least make the victim stop. I did not consider the fact the victim traveled approximately twenty-five additional feet after be shot five times. Remember, the bartender stated at interrogation he did not know he was hitting the victim, and he believed the victim had a firearm on his person.

Upon reflection, I must admit the jury’ verdict was correct. After all, the totality of the circumstances
and the reasonable person doctrine guided the defense and the jury’s conclusion.
 
If this isnt relevant to this thread i can remove it.

I am in my early fifties and moderately medically fragile. I have breathing issues, R.A., fibromyalgia, and bad back and knees. I would be very hard pressed to be able to defend myself without a weapon against a young and/or more fit aggressor let alone a group.

As a medically fragile person, how would the law look on a person that had to resort to use of a knife (i carry a legal size folder as EDC) or a pistol (i dont have a CCW at this time & only legally carry a small pistol in my car) to defend myself with either if in fear of GBI or death and the aggressor/s were not armed?

Im probably not asking it the right way so p!ease forgive me and feel free to correct me or guide me. Thank you!
 
There are some incorrect and/or misleading or meaningless statements and cliches that come up so often that it would be worth addressing them again so that people do not rely on them. Here are a few.

Should anyone have any questions about the reason that any of the the statements below do not represent viable positions in discussions of lawful civilian self defense, do not hesitate to ask.

This was written a little over four years ago, but it apparently fell into a crack. Thanks to the other staff members for helping to craft this.

We hope you find this helpful.

"A Good Shoot is a Good Shoot"

Well, it is, but unless it was just an element of carefully written fiction or part of a textbook, and all of the facts are given to us, or unless an entire real-world incident was recorded from beginning to end from multiple vantage points on a sound stage, we have no way of really knowing whether a "shoot" was a "good" one, because we cannot know all of what actually happened. Whether a shooting was justified will have to be determined on the basis of the totality of incomplete, fragmentary evidence. That evidence may be contradictory; eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable, and if the person against whom force was used, or if anyone who is sympathetic to the person, provides testimony, one can almost guarantee that it will not be favorable to a shooter who claims to be a defender. It may seem obvious that an act was lawfully justified, and it may in some cases be rather obvious, or it may not. Any contradictions in the shooter's account that may surface, anything that my indicate that the shooter may have been predisposed toward the use of force, or anything that may damage the shooter's credibility, could make the shooter's day in court a most unenviable one.

"He was Cleared by the Police (or Grand Jury, Etc.)"

The police can recommend against charging someone, and a Grand Jury can recommend against prosecution, but neither action will prevent a citizen from being charged in the future. The only things that can prevent that, other than the death of the actor, are a trial and acquittal, an executive pardon, the dismissal of the case with prejudice, or the expiration of the statute of limitations. The last of these never occurs in a murder case.

"In My House, I Can Legally...."

In most jurisdictions, a person in his or her occupied domicile need not retreat, and in most jurisdictions, a resident may, if certain conditions are met, be afforded a presumption that force was justified, but that does not give anyone "permission" to harm anyone else. The laws involving justification remain the same. We have a sticky on that one.

"In My State, if the Use of Force Was Justified, I Cannot be Sued"

In some jurisdictions, a civil court can, if provided with enough evidence, protect a defendant against civil liability by preventing further legal proceedings. But neither an acquittal in criminal court nor a decision by the State to not prosecute can be counted upon to suffice in establishing that the act had been lawfully justified, because the burden of proof in civil court is lower than in criminal court, and because the rules differ. We have a sticky on this one, too.

"A Person in My House Who ... Has Forfeited his Rights"

No, No, NO! That will be determined by others, through due process. Also, it is extremely important to realize that while a person may lawfully use necessary force to defend, no one has the right to use force to punish except through specified judicial processes.

"There Has Never Been a Self Defense Case Decided Because...."

There is a lot wrong with that one. First, unless one has interviewed all of the jurors in all of the trials in the country and determined just what things influenced them in what ways, one cannot know what things have led to the outcomes of jury trials. Second, it really does not matter whether a defendant intended to self defense or not--a case was only a self defense case if the relevant instructions to the jury made it one. Thirdly, when it comes to matters of law, such as whether the testimony of a particular expert witness was admitted into evidence, it doesn't matter at all what the case happened to be about. Finally, the number of trials that my have involved a particular factor is unknown, and it is quite possible that the factor in question has only existed in a very small number of cases, or that it was not necessarily an important factor at all.

"A Single Punch Can Kill"

Yes, it can, and it might, but that does not mean that a single punch constitutes deadly force--force that could reasonably be expected to cause death or serious bodily harm.

"He Was on My Property, and I was Exercising My Second Amendment Rights"

There are two issues here: first, the Second Amendment pertains to the right to keep and bear arms, and it has nothing to do with use of force law; secondly, when it comes to use of force law, the fact that on is on one's property in the great outdoors does not generally provide a person with more justification to use force than the person would have on someone else's property.

"There is No Law Against Brandishing in My State"

That's true in many jurisdictions, but that does not mean that the intentional exhibition or display of a weapon for the purpose of threatening someone else, or to persuade someone to do something or to dissuade that person from doing something, would not constitute a crime ,unless the actor is lawfully justified. In most jurisdictions, it would be justified only under circumstances in which the use of deadly force would be justified. In a few places, the threshold for justification is lower, but it still requires that the use of force be lawfully justified. We have a sticky on the subject. Incidentally, one should never assume that the legality of open carry would justify the intentional display of a concealed weapon for purposes that would not be lawful if open carry were not permitted.


And my caveat is " you dont KNOW,what you dont KNOW ".

And unless it was in writing,it is not law.

Urban legend has no validity in ANY court.
 
If this isnt relevant to this thread i can remove it.

I am in my early fifties and moderately medically fragile. I have breathing issues, R.A., fibromyalgia, and bad back and knees. I would be very hard pressed to be able to defend myself without a weapon against a young and/or more fit aggressor let alone a group.

As a medically fragile person, how would the law look on a person that had to resort to use of a knife (i carry a legal size folder as EDC) or a pistol (i dont have a CCW at this time & only legally carry a small pistol in my car) to defend myself with either if in fear of GBI or death and the aggressor/s were not armed?

Im probably not asking it the right way so p!ease forgive me and feel free to correct me or guide me. Thank you!

I believe your refering to " Disparity of Force ".

And that is a REALLY gray area.

Do your own research on that subject and learn the pitfalls.
 
There are some incorrect and/or misleading or meaningless statements and cliches that come up so often that it would be worth addressing them again so that people do not rely on them. Here are a few.

Should anyone have any questions about the reason that any of the the statements below do not represent viable positions in discussions of lawful civilian self defense, do not hesitate to ask.

This was written a little over four years ago, but it apparently fell into a crack. Thanks to the other staff members for helping to craft this.

We hope you find this helpful.

"A Good Shoot is a Good Shoot"

Well, it is, but unless it was just an element of carefully written fiction or part of a textbook, and all of the facts are given to us, or unless an entire real-world incident was recorded from beginning to end from multiple vantage points on a sound stage, we have no way of really knowing whether a "shoot" was a "good" one, because we cannot know all of what actually happened. Whether a shooting was justified will have to be determined on the basis of the totality of incomplete, fragmentary evidence. That evidence may be contradictory; eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable, and if the person against whom force was used, or if anyone who is sympathetic to the person, provides testimony, one can almost guarantee that it will not be favorable to a shooter who claims to be a defender. It may seem obvious that an act was lawfully justified, and it may in some cases be rather obvious, or it may not. Any contradictions in the shooter's account that may surface, anything that my indicate that the shooter may have been predisposed toward the use of force, or anything that may damage the shooter's credibility, could make the shooter's day in court a most unenviable one.

"He was Cleared by the Police (or Grand Jury, Etc.)"

The police can recommend against charging someone, and a Grand Jury can recommend against prosecution, but neither action will prevent a citizen from being charged in the future. The only things that can prevent that, other than the death of the actor, are a trial and acquittal, an executive pardon, the dismissal of the case with prejudice, or the expiration of the statute of limitations. The last of these never occurs in a murder case.

"In My House, I Can Legally...."

In most jurisdictions, a person in his or her occupied domicile need not retreat, and in most jurisdictions, a resident may, if certain conditions are met, be afforded a presumption that force was justified, but that does not give anyone "permission" to harm anyone else. The laws involving justification remain the same. We have a sticky on that one.

"In My State, if the Use of Force Was Justified, I Cannot be Sued"

In some jurisdictions, a civil court can, if provided with enough evidence, protect a defendant against civil liability by preventing further legal proceedings. But neither an acquittal in criminal court nor a decision by the State to not prosecute can be counted upon to suffice in establishing that the act had been lawfully justified, because the burden of proof in civil court is lower than in criminal court, and because the rules differ. We have a sticky on this one, too.

"A Person in My House Who ... Has Forfeited his Rights"

No, No, NO! That will be determined by others, through due process. Also, it is extremely important to realize that while a person may lawfully use necessary force to defend, no one has the right to use force to punish except through specified judicial processes.

"There Has Never Been a Self Defense Case Decided Because...."

There is a lot wrong with that one. First, unless one has interviewed all of the jurors in all of the trials in the country and determined just what things influenced them in what ways, one cannot know what things have led to the outcomes of jury trials. Second, it really does not matter whether a defendant intended to self defense or not--a case was only a self defense case if the relevant instructions to the jury made it one. Thirdly, when it comes to matters of law, such as whether the testimony of a particular expert witness was admitted into evidence, it doesn't matter at all what the case happened to be about. Finally, the number of trials that my have involved a particular factor is unknown, and it is quite possible that the factor in question has only existed in a very small number of cases, or that it was not necessarily an important factor at all.

"A Single Punch Can Kill"

Yes, it can, and it might, but that does not mean that a single punch constitutes deadly force--force that could reasonably be expected to cause death or serious bodily harm.

"He Was on My Property, and I was Exercising My Second Amendment Rights"

There are two issues here: first, the Second Amendment pertains to the right to keep and bear arms, and it has nothing to do with use of force law; secondly, when it comes to use of force law, the fact that on is on one's property in the great outdoors does not generally provide a person with more justification to use force than the person would have on someone else's property.

"There is No Law Against Brandishing in My State"

That's true in many jurisdictions, but that does not mean that the intentional exhibition or display of a weapon for the purpose of threatening someone else, or to persuade someone to do something or to dissuade that person from doing something, would not constitute a crime, unless the actor is lawfully justified. In most jurisdictions, it would be justified only under circumstances in which the use of deadly force would be justified. In a few places, the threshold for justification is lower, but it still requires that the use of force be lawfully justified. We have a sticky on the subject. Incidentally, one should never assume that the legality of open carry would justify the intentional display of a concealed weapon for purposes that would not be lawful if open carry were not permitted.
This is one of the best posts I have ever seen. There is so much misunderstanding in the 2A community about how the criminal system works. This post really brings the conversation back to reality.

Especially the brandishing item. Civilians aren't allowed to demonstrate to a threatening person that they are armed, and to do so in many jurisdictions means catching a violent felony-strike beef.

I've got one to add to the list:

In every state I know of except for Florida, self-defense is an affirmative defense to charges of murder or attempted murder. This means that if you are charged with one of these crimes,and you assert self-defense, the burden of proof will be on you. You will have to admit to every essential element of guilt, then convince a jury (or judge if it's prelim) that you were justified in killing someone. The burden of proof shifts from the state onto the defendant, who is now guilty unless he can prove himself innocent.

A self-defense claim is among the most difficult ways to defend a case.
 
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