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Advice needed for anti family member's first range trip

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So I will be taking her out this Sunday.

Well just don't make it TOO easy. Part of the fun is the challenge. Reactive targets like cans are best. My wife isn't really "anti-gun" but she is skittish around them. First time she shot I put a pop can at about 7 yards. Not too far, but not so close to be patronizing! Loaded 5 rounds of 9mm in the mag and she hit the can with her third, fourth, and fifth shot. She was thrilled to see that thing shoot up in the air. I was proud, but the key was that SHE was proud....and having fun.

Other things I have found is that a full-size frame 9mm is a pretty soft shooter, and also if you expand on the "this is only a tool" topic by explaining the safety mechanisms, firing pin blocks, etc. it can really help, especially if she is scientifically inclined, she will really begin to appreciate the engineering that goes into firearms, and see that they aren't just evil black things that spew death.

I also really like the idea to sort of make it a competition between her and your BIL, and to massage her ego by acknowledging that women are often better shots. And if you bring up finer motor skills due to women having more slow twitch muscle fibers in their hands, it might pique her doctor's interest. (I don't really know if that is true but it would be a good conversation with her!)

It is hard because whenever I take someone shooting for the first time I treat them differently based on who they are, our history, etc. Of course safety is always first. Beyond that, all people are different. You know your sister the best and I am sure she'll have a great time!
 
Go to Walmart and pick up some cheap shaving cream and let her make a mess. She'll have a blast.
 
Having twice been in very similar situations, I offer this:

Make a day out of it with a nice lunch and dinner. Treat it as a "couples" thing, a double-date with light fun, good conversation and nice food. If you make the actual shooting part less philosophically weighty and share all of that .22 fun, followed by a great meal somewhere nice, she'll probably be cool with it. Reactive targets are perfect. Give her the most-deadening ear protection, too. Bring only .22s and make it fun, fun, fun. I mean, you want her to stop objecting to a shotgun in the house, right?

She probably won't want to be the sole wet blanket for another reason as well. because, on this issue, there are three of you and one of her. In numbers there is strength, even if no one says a word, you know?

I got three non-shooters to try and then enjoy shooting by the above. Everyone grins a big one when they hit their first soda can; I don't care who they are.
 
Can't wait to see the "After Trip Report"!

My $.02, though I recognize the trip to the range has happened, or likely will before you read this:

I'm a brand new shooter. Speaking for myself, my introduction came through .22lr rifles and handguns with safety first, second, third, and constantly. The person was smart enough to bring one, slightly larger bang-bang toy (an AR). That was a cherry on top of the day - firing two or three rounds from the big gun (at my prompting) at the end of the day.
 
I have an older sister who while not completely anti-gun, holds typical Hollywood and media misconceptions about gun ownership and defensive carry. Strange seeing as we both were brought up in the same household, in a family of military and LEO's, with firearms always present. She is also a doctor, I guess that's what 8 years of higher education will get you.
Well,I hope things went well for you and that your range day was educationally-productive for her.Here is a very anti-gun young lady,whose day at the skeet range didn't go down to well,because of her high emotions.Its one where we don't know whether to laugh or cry at all.
http://planetgreen.discovery.com/videos/30-days-anti-gun-activist-goes-shooting.html
http://planetgreen.discovery.com
some of you other guys on this thread might of seen this before as its over a year old&might be old news to you.
 
I disagree with those who recommend using a .22 for her first trip out.

I think your first lesson should be at home, with a toy gun that shoots suction cup darts, or a watergun, or maybe, MAYBE a Daisy BB gun.

If she is a strong anti, she will experience an emotional reaction the first time you uncase a real gun in her presence. She will be looking at the gun, and she won't hear a damn thing you say. I have been though this before.

Your first lesson is strictly how to handle a gun safely. Coach her on muzzle control, finger off the trigger, etc. Make her case and uncase the toy gun until she is controling muzzle direction 100% of the time.

Use a water gun to teach sight alignment. Get her used to aiming at a target and coordinating sight alignment and trigger pull.

Graduate to a BB gun on the second home session. Don't be in such a darn hurry to go to the range. Repeat your lessons on muzzle control, sight alignment, etc. Shoot at tin cans until she gets bored with it.

Then you ask her if she still wants to go to go the range and shoot a .22. Let HER see that SHE is in control. Only take her when she says she wants to go. And then take ONLY the .22.

Going slow, with respect for the student gives you the best chance of success. Again, I hope you will learn from the mistakes I made by going too fast with an anti.

Good luck.


I guess I posted this after you made your range trip. Hope my apprehensions were unfounded and you all had a fun day. But perhaps my thoughts can provide discussion points for others, anyway.
 
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Sorry, I don't spend one minute trying to convert an "Anti" to my way of thinking. Anti's are so secure in their misinformation that they just go shooting to reinforce their prejudice. I just tell them to go well................you know and it isn't shooting.

If I DID take her to the range, I would take a bolt action .22 rifle with a scope and place clay pigeons on the back berm. Get her to pick off the targets then slay the pieces as they get smaller and smaller. That is a hoot and she's bound to love it! Later, a 10-22 scoped rifle can be substituted if you see that she's safe in her handling of the rifle.

A second choice is reactive "clingers" that make noise and swing when hit. I try to keep new shooters off paper targets until they get "hooked." Reactive targets reinforce doing their trigger, sight picture and breathing and give immediate "atta boys."

Flash
 
Your never going to change her opinion on guns so if you really must do it at all make it comfortable on yourself. Make damn sure she understands safety, let her shoot some and take her home and forget about the day and her. Frank
 
I like biodegradable reactive targets. They hold peoples interest, nothin says ya got that thing like a cantalope that has been dipped in liquid nitrogen when it gets hit. My daughter, who is 9, loves my Ruger 77/22 Mk II in .22 WMR and asks to go with me to the range. She likes being able to draw smiley faces with it.
 
Sorry, I don't spend one minute trying to convert an "Anti" to my way of thinking. Anti's are so secure in their misinformation that they just go shooting to reinforce their prejudice. I just tell them to go well................

Your never going to change her opinion on guns so if you really must do it at all make it comfortable on yourself. Make damn sure she understands safety, let her shoot some and take her home and forget about the day and her. Frank

Guys, assuming all people of a certain view are too close minded to reconsider their position is, well...close minded.

Rori, are you seriously saying he should forget his sister because she disagrees with him on gun rights?
 
All right, the long anticipated range report. It was a huge success!

First I want to clear something up. I described her as an "anti" which was probably a bit harsh. She certainly wasn't actively anti-gun, and holds generally conservative political views. Her fear of guns and family members owning them stems more from fear of losing a loved one in an accident rather than any sort of political opposition to the RKBA. After all, she did express initial interest is going to the range and learning how to safely shoot a gun.

Before going to the range I sent her an e-mail with the 4 rules and some other general tips for a range trip. I asked her and her husband to read them and try to remember them. Then while over at her house, I let her handle and dry fire a pistol, and covered some of the mechanics and safety aspects of guns.

I noticed then and throughout the range day on Sunday that the majority of her and her husband's misconceptions about guns didn't come from the Brady Campaign, but from Hollywood.

We arrived at the range bright and early, it was cold, but the sun was shining and it was comfortable in the high 50s and low 60s later in the day.

I brought about a dozen firearms, most of them .22lr. I apologize for the lack of pictures, I was focused entirely on teaching and safety until later in the day when I remember to snap some photos.

We started by going over the safety rules again, then after laying out most of the guns I gave a brief description of their function. Everyone put ear pro on, and I had her double up.

She seemed more interested in pistols so I scrapped my plans to start out on a single-shot Stevens .22 rifle and we started with a .22lr conversion on a 1911. I don't have a dedicated .22lr pistol, which is something I need to fix.

After explaining sight picture, grip, stance, trigger squeeze, etc. I had her dry fire a few times before loading one round. Her first shot was about 3 inches low of the bull from ~7yds... pretty good considering she had her eyes firmly clenched shut as she squeezed the trigger. After she realized the gun wasn't going to bite her, everything improved from there.

I had her shoot a few more rounds on paper to improve her groupings and get more comfortable, and then had her break a few clays that I glued to the target backer. Of course reactive targets were a big hit. After that she took a break and I repeated the process with her husband.

Next I set up a bunch of clays and had them compete, 3 rounds at a time, to see who could hit the most. She won, with the help of some creative scoring by her brother :)

After putting a few hundred rounds through the .22, they were ready to try new things and we stepped up to a S&W 686 shooting lightweight .38 spcl wadcutters. This is about the most accurate gun I own and is a good transition from .22

After that we moved to a Stoeger Cougar in 9mm. The noise and recoil startled her on the first shot, but she got comfortable pretty quickly. When she swapped it out with her husband, his second shot was a squib load! Winchester White Box ammo, appeared that there was no powder at all in the case. The first factory squib I've ever experienced. Fortunately I was watching him closely and after making sure it wasn't a hangfire, I had him clear the weapon. I didn't want to spend 15 mins trying to hammer it out of the barrel on the range, so the 9mm was packed away for the day.

Next we went to a 1911 in .45, shooting fairly light loads. She shot it a few times, then decided she didn't like it that much, which wasn't suprising. Her husband however shot quite a few rounds and really liked it.

I had a few leftover pumpkins, which we proceeded to blow up with some old Speer Gold Dots. After seeing how much fun this was, my sister decided she wanted to shoot the .45 some more after all, and proceeded to put a magazine of Gold Dots through my lightweight commander 1911.

We then backed up to 25 yds or so and started with my Mossberg Plinkster, breaking clays and shooting at a steel spinning target. Tons of fun.

The big hit of the day was my Savage 93R17, with a 3-9x scope on it. She couldn't get enough of this gun. Nailing full ginger ale cans with a .17HMR is quite spectacular.

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Also shot was my AR with a .22 conversion, which was pretty popular, and a Mossberg 500 with birdshot. Everyone liked the AR, even though it was heavy for her, its a 18" heavy barrel middy with a rifle length rail. She wanted to shoot the 12ga, and did once. Brother-in-law really liked the Mossberg, and enjoyed blowing pumpkins to bits with 3 inch slugs.

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We shot some other stuff but those were the highlights.

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By the end of the day, she was talking about how much she liked the .17HMR and she wanted one like that. Brother-in-law was asking me about pricing and good brands for handguns, ARs, and shotguns. We also talked about setting up a time for me to give them a better class on safety for guns in the home and for self-defense. We also are setting up another range day to go out to the long-range rifle range and shoot some bigger rifles.

We all went over to our parents house later that evening for our annual Christmas tree decorating, grand illumination, and dinner. The conversation was centered on our range trip, and our father remarked how she went in one day from "guns are evil" to wanting an arsenal.

Some lessons learned:

-Accurate guns. A misconception I have seen among many new shooters is that guns are laser beams, like they are depicted in movies and video games. It is difficult to explain to a new shooter that they are doing great when not every round is hitting the bullseye.

-Shooting all .22s gets boring for a new shooter quickly. I can shoot .22 all day and have fun, but for their first experience they want to try new and bigger things.

-Mix of paper and reactive targets. Always start with paper, as it gives better downrange feedback. Reactive because they are fun!

-Bring more ammo. When a new shooter really likes a particular gun, they will shoot that gun for the rest of the day.

Thanks to everyone here for their advice and their help in making this a successful day!

A new member of the shooting community shooting her evil black rifle
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P.S. I thought I had some great video to post of the 12ga induced pumpkin showers, but apparently I can't work my camera :(
 
I am glad to see that she was wearing proper hearing protection. A lot of people fear guns because they make loud scary noises. Here is something related that I posted a while back.
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I read an interesting theory the other day that has real political implications. We all are aware that some people have knee jerk emotional reactions that can be used like handles to manipulate them. How many times have you heard "for the children" used by an unscrupulous politician? This reason this form of manipulation works is because it totally bypasses critical thinking and goes straight for the emotions.

How else can people be manipulated?

By FEAR.

People are born with a natural fear of only two things, falling and loud noises.
All else is learned behavior. If there were a sudden loud BANG behind you right now, you would jump. No matter how many years you have been shooting, if you did not know it was coming you would revert to natures reaction to loud noise with fear. In fact, as shooters we constantly have to suppress this natural urge to flinch even when we know it is going to happen. Gunfire is loud. It is scary on a subconscious level even to a seasoned shooter. How much more so is it to a person who is unfamiliar with firearms? Guns can have a very negative connotation to people who don't understand them, as they associate guns with loud frightening noises.

Interestingly enough, the type of person who is scared of guns and would not allow one in their home would probably be totally comfortable around archery equipment. Even though being run through with a broad head can be just about as deadly as being shot, it does not make that loud scary noise therefore it does not elicit that strong primordial urge to avoid it.

It is important that we as gun owners promote shooting in a positive way as we are dealing with peoples deep seeded subconscious fears and the only way to conquer that fear is with knowledge. (and proper ear protection).

Just an observation, OS
 
Interestingly enough, the type of person who is scared of guns and would not allow one in their home would probably be totally comfortable around archery equipment.

No offense but that analogy is quite poor and will not be convincing. For example, a small child with a bow and arrow will probably not be able to even pull the string and even if they couldis not likely to shoot himself on accident. Also, there are no statistics to support archery as a social danger and almost no, if any, crimes committed with them. I think the loud noise of guns has very little to do with the political issues surrounding them as many who oppose them have probably never heard one in person.
 
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