AK Tactial Reload

[MachIVshooter]

with the weaker latching it needs it

A crossbolt that engages a hole cut in the mag is weak? I don't debate the durability of a steel AK mag vs. an aluminum GI mag for an AR (P-mags are another story), but I don't see any problem with the retention system. Same as virtually any other Western designed battle/assault rifle, save the M-14.

 

[sarduy]

i'll play...


is not the gun but the user... if you have used an AR for a long time you may load/reload it very fast.. 2 sec or less... but lets remember if you play with an AK long enough, you'll find yourself loading/reloading it very very fast... remember that mind-set is better than tool-set.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvhtKUf7ffM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kqfsukN6CE&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEzuyU8Oksc

 

[Coronach]

If you haven't run the weapon dry, and find yourself wishing to "top off", you should have time to do the magazine exchange.

Make sure your opponent gets the memo. Minimizing the amount of time you have a mag out of the rifle is always a good idea.

It is not the gun but the user... if you have used an AR for a long time you may load/reload it very fast.. 2 sec or less... but lets remember if you play with an AK long enough, you'll find yourself loading/reloading it very very fast... remember that mind-set is better than tool-set.

I don't disagree. But this is different from saying that one is just as fast as the other. Both can be run acceptably fast, given. One is easier to run acceptably fast, though, and that one will be faster for a given amount of training, for the vast majority of people.

But yes, a guy who knows how to run an AK will smoke someone who doesn't know how to run an AR, hands down.

Mike

 

[sarduy]

good point coronach

i'm sure they are faster than this... hehehe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJMbxZ1k9NQ&NR=1

 

[DMK]

Quote:
with the weaker latching it needs it


A crossbolt that engages a hole cut in the mag is weak? I don't debate the durability of a steel AK mag vs. an aluminum GI mag for an AR (P-mags are another story), but I don't see any problem with the retention system. Same as virtually any other Western designed battle/assault rifle, save the M-14.

The AR15 mag latches at one point on the side via a hole cut in the mag.

The AK latches at the front and rear with tabs, one fits a notch cut into the front trunion, the other tab lays against the receiver and is held in place by a lever folded in the shape of a 'U'.

I wouldn't say the AR15 mag could be ripped out, but it is certainly more likely to be damaged than the AK if the rifle were to drop straight down on the mag.

 

[RobMoore]

Minimizing the amount of time you have a mag out of the rifle is always a good idea.

Yes, I know that. I meant "you should have the time" to mean that if you don't have it, don't do the tac-load.

 

[Coronach]

And my point is that sometimes you don't have the time you think you have.

You can't know how much time you're going to have to get your rifle topped off. By definition, you're still under threat, since you're so keen to get a full 30 rounds back into the weapon. You don't- can't- know how much time you're going to have. Sure, you do everything you can to do this during a lull in the fesivities, but you cannot possibly know how long that lull will last. Even if YOU are under cover and safe as houses(you hope), your partner/teammate/buddy might suddenly need help right now. Because of this, anything that keeps the interval between magazine out to magazine in as small as possible is a good thing.

Mike

 

[JLtZD]

Coronach, I think this guy is doing essentially what you describe in your earlier post on tactical reloads at around the 2min mark with an AK.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TegQiSObPZo

I found videos of the AR 90degree version of this reload and this might be the one time that they are about even in speed.

Naturally, my .223 is a bullpup design...want to talk slow reloads, sometimes I think I can reload my mauser faster.

 

[RobMoore]

Surprises are why we wear sidearms, but I know what you mean.

I'd personally rather keep any mag I want to potentially use again out of the dirt and add a couple seconds to the mag exchange. If I didn't plan on keeping it, this technique would be of use.
(which is probably a part of my position I should have alluded to earlier)

 

[Coronach]

Well, a tactical reload takes longer to execute from start to finish, as measured from when you decide to start it to when your support hand returns to position, but the really critical time- defined as the amount of time the gun has only one round on board- is comparatively short. It's shorter on an AR than on an AK, assuming equally skilled operators. This is not the end of the world for the AK user, of course, but it is an advantage for the AR.

If something bad happens in mid tac reload, you can always drop what you're doing (literally and figuratively), address the issue with whatever happens to be in the gun at the time (the partially depleted mag or the fresh one), and then gather up what you dropped IF you can. To me, the time the gun spends with no mag inserted is the crucial time. Assuming you're doing a tactical reload (reload with retention), the AR spends less time in that condition.

Mike

 

[Coronach]

JltZD-

I did watch that link, and I think the AR reload is quicker. Not "OMG THAT AK IS SO SLLLLLOOOOWWWWWW" faster, but still faster.

To reiterate an earlier point, if you know what you're doing, either gun can be run with acceptable speed. The AR is just slightly faster, all else being equal, and is also easier to get to that level of competence. I am, in no way, saying the AK is unable to be run quickly.

Mike