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Alright the press misinformation is killing me

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I urge you to reconsider.
Not a chance. I already know the others are very biased in their reporting. I also see those I listen to to be much more accurate in their reports(specifically about subjects I know). I see most of the MNM to be nothing more than purveyers of propaganda and will not watch/listen to them. YMMV
 
I am most amazed by the Connecticut story about allowing neighbors report each other and then guns can be seized. :banghead: Did not the NAZI's depend on citizens to report each other?
 
Not a chance. I already know the others are very biased in their reporting. I also see those I listen to to be much more accurate in their reports(specifically about subjects I know). I see most of the MNM to be nothing more than purveyers of propaganda and will not watch/listen to them. YMMV
Not a chance. I already know the others are very biased in their reporting. I also see those I listen to to be much more accurate in their reports(specifically about subjects I know). I see most of the MNM to be nothing more than purveyers of propaganda and will not watch/listen to them. YMMV
You're missing the point. Understand that Fox is also biased in their reporting and shouldn't be taken at face value like anything else.
Do you implicitly believe everything Fox tells you? That's a myopic approach to information gathering.
 
Do you implicitly believe everything Fox tells you? That's a myopic approach to information gathering.
Of course not but they are only half as biased in their reporting as the other MNM. Having presented both sides(or more) of an issue. I can then come to my own conclusion not one that is spoonfed to me.
That's a myopic approach to information gathering.
It's called getting my information from sources I TRUST.
 
Of course not but they are only half as biased in their reporting as the other MNM. Having presented both sides(or more) of an issue. I can then come to my own conclusion not one that is spoonfed to me.It's called getting my information from sources I TRUST.
How often do you disagree with the viewpoint which is being spoonfed to you by Fox? How often have you noticed your sources disagreeing with each other?

Before cutting out the other sources, how often did you change your mind based on data that became available later? After cutting them out?
 
Neverwinter,I will make my own choices as to whom I will get my information from. If you don't like a particular source don't listen to them. I do not and will not justify my news sources based on your or anyone else's criteria. I am satisfied that my sources are as accurate as any out there. My choices are mine and not subject to anyone else's opinion.
 
I think what Neverwinter is trying to say is that you are decrying mass media for being biased and touting Fox News as a champion of truth, when in fact they ALSO have been proven to be slanted, albeit in our (pro-2nd) favor.

However, it is your right to watch and believe whatever you see fit.
 
Neverwinter,I will make my own choices as to whom I will get my information from. If you don't like a particular source don't listen to them. I do not and will not justify my news sources based on your or anyone else's criteria. I am satisfied that my sources are as accurate as any out there. My choices are mine and not subject to anyone else's opinion.
My posts have been promoting my own checklist for how we should gather information. Breadth of coverage, development of knowledge based on additional information, and a general critical eye.
I'm sorry if you feel like I've been imposing them on you.

I think what Neverwinter is trying to say is that you are decrying mass media for being biased and touting Fox News as a champion of truth, when in fact they ALSO have been proven to be slanted, albeit in our (pro-2nd) favor.
A result of relying on one source or multiple homogeneous sources is that one won't be able to spot when they are slanted.
 
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Agreed. Same as in I always check snopes when I hear a rumor or get a text message about anything that sounds sensational, including gun laws and the president, I look it up. Always good to have ALL the information.
 
my only hope is that this can be handled responsibly and not taken out of context to further add to the gun laws building up due to incidents such as this.
 
My local newspaper, The Tulsa World, had a series of articles that greatly angered me.


First, an editiorial: "Can We Talk?" http://www.tulsaworld.com/opinion/article.aspx?subjectid=213&articleid=20110116_213_G6_Inthew625655

Helmke and the World twist Coburn's words: http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=298&articleid=20110116_298_0_WASHIN822433

And then this piece: "Police frequently 'Out-gunned'" http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20110116_11_A3_CUTLIN508319

The Oklahoman (Oklahoma City's paper) had a pro-gun editorial and a pro-gun syndicated column today, good for them.


For the record, Oklahoma has two major cities Tulsa (slightly more liberal, still fairly center right), and OKC, which is more conservative. Then their are the rural areas, which tend to be conservative.
 
I thought it was an ak-47 with a drum magazine?
Actually....the morning after it happened, one reporter on NBC kept saying it was an "assault rifle with a hi-cap clip".
I watched another news broadcast later on in the day and suddenly the assault rifle morphed into a Glock pistol with a 33 round magazine.
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And then this piece: "Police frequently 'Out-gunned

Wow! That has got to be one of the worst I have seen in a while. Police are frequently outgunned but they could not give any examples beyond the 1 mentioned. I would also say at 20 ft, (depending on how badly wounded she was) if the officer spent any time at the range she could have taken him out easily with her 45.

And my AR is a "civilian version of the m-16". WTH! Are they serious? Except it is very different but otherwise yeah it is just the same as an M-16. I can tell you the cops here have 45's on the hips, 3 spare mags, plus an AR in the trunk with HUNDREDS of rounds of ammo. They are also wearing body armor and have a radio that can bring dozens of similarly armed police here in <10 minutes.
 
The media has offended me on this story from minute one. Right behind their sudden crowing for more gun control is this:
There were a LOT of victims. Six dead, the rest wounded. However, it seems as if the only person's condition they're monitoring is Gifford's. Of the dead, only the little girl and the judge seem to matter to the MSM.
Seems like if you're not politically connected or "special" in some way, you're life isn't worth as much to them.
 
SPEC, those were some completely bs articles.

However, I did enjoy Jon Stewart ridiculing the attempted legislation for more gun laws. The "Battle of the Bans" clip was hilarious. Also, his statement after the tragedy about how blaming anyone or anything for the events is like, "blaming heavy metal music for Columbine" was quite apt.

You can't predict crazy. What happened was terrible, regardless of the politics involved, but no one is to blame but the shooter.
 
Press Misinformation

There's a lot of wild-eyed, sputtering anger on display in this thread, most of it misdirected at the news media reporting on the Tucson shooting. In fact, the mainstream media coverage has been admirably neutral on the subject of gun control: NBC and the New York Times do not initiate bans on assault weapons or high-capacity magazines. Blaming them for the public disgust over events like this, and raising bitter hell because they use terms like "clip" or because they can't pin down the exact number of cartridges in an extended Glock magazine makes 2d Amendment supporters look like a bunch of yahoos. Calls for giving handguns to everybody as a way to prevent such mass killings makes us look like a bunch of dangerous, delusional yahoos.

The classic no-compromise, "pry them from my cold, dead hands" attitude is easy, and it makes for great bumper stickers. But eventually the timid majority is going to rise up, put unbearable pressure on politicians, and stick that attitude down our throats. People who really care about preserving the right to keep and bear arms had better start thinking of smart ways to help prevent the misuse of firearms. Otherwise, radical solutions that they are really going to hate will be forced upon them.
 
The problem with forms and license applications is, that there aren't people to check them until after there is a problem. They more or less take your word for it. Unless we want it to be like NYC, whre it takes 6 months to a year to check your letters of reference run the FBI check, get letters from character whitnesses who know you for many years and will vouch for you, "because they will be called" or inerviewed. And still possiblly get denied because they didn't like the way you answered a question at the final interview. Then this is the system that we have to work with now. And guys like this creep, are always going to lie to get what they want. I'm talking strictlly about NYC carry. And it costs a fortune now, I don't recall what I used to pay, but it was several hundred dollars every few years, until I left in 94. There is no real way to check on this stuff without thousands of people to rundown each applicant. They would not be able to afford to do it regaurdless of weather it was right or wrong. People will always get what they want one way or the other.The magazine thing is just a byproduct of the system. There will always be a place to get things that people want but ane not allowed to have. Even the pediphile websites don't have the proper info on them, these individuals lie about everything. If there is no one to keep tabs on them, they dissapear into the system.
 
I'm not so sure it was an illegal purchase. The media may be right this time. The question on 4473 asks if you are current user, or addicted to, illegal drugs. By all reports the shooter had quit marijuana for quite some time before buying the gun.
 
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