An Interesting Story From The Sandbox
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Good show fellas!
I can't believe that the US is not 1. jamming all cell phones (I doubt they had them under Saddam) or 2. tap every call. I mean if GPS phones ever had a time and place its over there.
Imagine.... Johnny Jihad get a call.. tap shows he's talking about an attack. GPS corridinates automatically load into JDAMs on station. Gives a whole new meaning to the 'line went dead'.
I can't believe that the US is not 1. jamming all cell phones (I doubt they had them under Saddam) or 2. tap every call. I mean if GPS phones ever had a time and place its over there.
Imagine.... Johnny Jihad get a call.. tap shows he's talking about an attack. GPS corridinates automatically load into JDAMs on station. Gives a whole new meaning to the 'line went dead'.
CoastieTech
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I'm almost positive that 1-68 Armor is not from Ohio. They are part of the 4ID 3RD Brigade Combat Team stationed at Ft.Carson. This caught my attention because 1-68 supported my unit, 3-29 FA, at Ft. Carson. If there is more than one unit by this name I am unaware and I apologize for the misqoute. I did a little research and came up with this link of their history. As for the story I wish our interpreters would have been that much help when I was over there.
MTMilitiaman
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LOL.
I have to imagine the military intel guys are doing something over there. Is it possible that there is just too much cell phone activity over there to keep up with it all?
BullfrogKen
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Dude . . . DUDE . . . DUDE . . . where's my car?
Are you really comparing capturing a Motor T, er . . . OK, that means truck driver . . . the capture of a guy driving a truck to . . . attempting the capture of seven guys actively hunting for you?
Questions like this are lightning rods for smart-@$$ responses, because they reflect the ignorance of the inquiry.
You know . . . like if they had a gun like the BFG like they have in the computer game DOOM, they'd all be dead . . . or . . . if they had pigs with wings . . . they could fly overhead and crap on them . . . and then they'd be so mortified . . . they'd all kill themselves.
Comments suggesting they respond to a hunting party with less than lethal force sounds just as ridiculous as those. Here V4 . . . Here's some ether in a glass jar, and a taser . . . and a shotgun. I'm bringing some friends over in a few minutes armed with rifles to hunt for you. Which would you choose?
Consider that the troops actually RESPONDED with deadly force, probably OVERWHELMING, and netted . . .
1 dead, 2 WOUNDED. The rest got away. Proving even "lethal force" isn't always lethal.
Lighting up these fellas in an "Oh **** . . . Ambush!!!" still didn't kill all them. That's what happens in the fog of war. Even something that seems as simple as shooting fish in a barrel isn't guaranteed to give you a trout for dinner.
I mean this in the best of ways, really I do . . . but when you pose questions that reflect both ignorance of experience, and the absence of forethought, on a site filled with folks bearing painfully earned knowledge and good judgement learned from years of mistakes . . . Expect people to react with a *** and WHO are YOU? response.
Monday morning Q-backing a wartime event with . . . "Why didn't they do this? . . . I read this in a book . . ." sounds like guys we ridicule who don't have any experience and tell the grizzled vet how he should do things because . . . that's what it says it should be done in that book.
Stainless Chili
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If they are carrying out their "wounded" we don't have a clear idea of their KIA.
Personally, I'd like to see Warthogs criss-cross the country into a checkerboard of smaller and smaller squares.
Personally, I'd like to see Warthogs criss-cross the country into a checkerboard of smaller and smaller squares.
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I'm not sure where people get this ridiculous idea, but Islam actually says no such thing.
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I think alot of folks get it from the incident involving General Pershing who was the Military Governor of More Province, Philipines (just before WW1)when they started receiving terrorist attacks from muslim extremists. From what I understand, he ordered that the 50 or so captured islamic terrorists dig one large mass grave, then had them tied to posts execution style. Next he had his troops bring in 2 hogs and slaughter them in front of the muslims. The troops were ordered to coat bullets in the pigs blood and fat before executing the prisoners. Once executed, the muslims' bodies were dumped into the mass grave and the slaughtered pigs were dumped on top of thier bodies before filling the grave. From what I understand, he let one of the terrorists go to tell the tale of horror (muslims detest pork/pigs). No more terrorist attacks in the Philipines for the next 40 or so years.
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I think alot of folks get it from the incident involving General Pershing who was the Military Governor of More Province, Philipines (just before WW1)when they started receiving terrorist attacks from muslim extremists. From what I understand, he ordered that the 50 or so captured islamic terrorists dig one large mass grave, then had them tied to posts execution style. Next he had his troops bring in 2 hogs and slaughter them in front of the muslims. The troops were ordered to coat bullets in the pigs blood and fat before executing the prisoners. Once executed, the muslims' bodies were dumped into the mass grave and the slaughtered pigs were dumped on top of thier bodies before filling the grave. From what I understand, he let one of the terrorists go to tell the tale of horror (muslims detest pork/pigs). No more terrorist attacks in the Philipines for the next 40 or so years.
V4Vendetta
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"sounds like guys we ridicule who don't have any experience and tell the grizzled vet how he should do things because"
I never told any vets how to do anything. I merely asked a logical question.
High Planes Drifter, you hit exactly what I heard.
I never told any vets how to do anything. I merely asked a logical question.
High Planes Drifter, you hit exactly what I heard.
Justin
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You have got to be kidding me.
V4Vendetta
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Never mind
. Just forget it.
. Just forget it.Just_a_dude_with_a_gun
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V for Vacant,
You have to get close to tazer, so that is a stupid, ridiculous idea. In an impending firefight, no one in their right mind is going to volunteer to shoot anything less than the biggest freaking bullets they can get.
You have to get close to tazer, so that is a stupid, ridiculous idea. In an impending firefight, no one in their right mind is going to volunteer to shoot anything less than the biggest freaking bullets they can get.
Thefabulousfink
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Hey, let it go!
V4Vendetta, just posted something without thinking it through from every angle and now he has spent the last few post trying to dig himself out of a hole. All you guys are doing is throwing more dirt on him rather than giving him a hand up.
I am sure that NO ONE ELSE EVER post on THR with out sitting down, completely thinking through their argument, and proof-reading it to ensure it is correct.
Lets just all relax and get along.
V4Vendetta, just posted something without thinking it through from every angle and now he has spent the last few post trying to dig himself out of a hole. All you guys are doing is throwing more dirt on him rather than giving him a hand up.
I am sure that NO ONE ELSE EVER post on THR with out sitting down, completely thinking through their argument, and proof-reading it to ensure it is correct.
Lets just all relax and get along.
V4Vendetta
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Thank you fink.
I never said that because they just used bullets that they messed up. I never even implied it. It sounds like from their story, they have some pretty quick thinkers & that is a good quality to have especially in a war zone. Had I been in their shoes I probably would have done the same. But I'm no soldier. Wouldn't even pass the physical I hear they make you take.
I never said that because they just used bullets that they messed up. I never even implied it. It sounds like from their story, they have some pretty quick thinkers & that is a good quality to have especially in a war zone. Had I been in their shoes I probably would have done the same. But I'm no soldier. Wouldn't even pass the physical I hear they make you take.
BullfrogKen
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So, you want to pass off the why didn’t they try this . . . statement as what? An, “if I was there” - or - something you’d do if you get attacked assertion?
I’m not trying to be a smart-@ss. Really. What I mean to say is this is what I’m talking about when you make statements like this and then get agitated when you get ridiculed. If you considered what you say, and how it comes across, before you said it, it might not bring you mockery.
If you had to face people actively hunting you, not a man just taking advantage of an opportunistic time to attempt a robbery, but a party of men hunting you like one hunts prey. . . and you shot and killed some of them . . . How would you feel if someone who has no experience at all facing armed men suggested you could have just winged them? And then cited a completely unrelated and dissimilar situation of how someone else successfully did just that in a book as proof it could be accomplished safely.
I bet you’d get kinda ticked, wouldn’t you?
The veteran comment didn’t reference war veterans; it includes anyone of a skilled trade, a machinist, a barber, a tailor, a chef, anyone that has over years mastered his craft. Anyone proficient in his art thinks it laughable, demeaning, and insulting when a greenhorn comes to him and suggests he think about doing his task differently because the new guy read it somewhere in a book.
You spent a LOT of time here, and have a LOT of posts. The forebearance of ignorant statements and apologizing for being unaware only lasts so long. If you want to be treated as a man and equal, it doesn't happen without conducting yourself like one.
I’m not trying to be a smart-@ss. Really. What I mean to say is this is what I’m talking about when you make statements like this and then get agitated when you get ridiculed. If you considered what you say, and how it comes across, before you said it, it might not bring you mockery.
If you had to face people actively hunting you, not a man just taking advantage of an opportunistic time to attempt a robbery, but a party of men hunting you like one hunts prey. . . and you shot and killed some of them . . . How would you feel if someone who has no experience at all facing armed men suggested you could have just winged them? And then cited a completely unrelated and dissimilar situation of how someone else successfully did just that in a book as proof it could be accomplished safely.
I bet you’d get kinda ticked, wouldn’t you?
The veteran comment didn’t reference war veterans; it includes anyone of a skilled trade, a machinist, a barber, a tailor, a chef, anyone that has over years mastered his craft. Anyone proficient in his art thinks it laughable, demeaning, and insulting when a greenhorn comes to him and suggests he think about doing his task differently because the new guy read it somewhere in a book.
You spent a LOT of time here, and have a LOT of posts. The forebearance of ignorant statements and apologizing for being unaware only lasts so long. If you want to be treated as a man and equal, it doesn't happen without conducting yourself like one.
RTFM
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Bottom line.
(Silly wabbit Teaser aside...
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We won - they lost! Our boys are are safe after the engagement.
(Silly wabbit Teaser aside...
) We won - they lost! Our boys are are safe after the engagement.
Justin
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Biting my tongue and closing this one.
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