An Old Warhorse....

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Dave McCracken

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I had planned to shoot some SC yesterday at the range, but all the golf carts were tied up, so I headed for the wobble range.

There, I started shooting a round with a few others, then another. On the second round, I noted the man next to me had an antique Model 97.

No blue left, worn look overall. Some discoloration on the receiver. He was proud of his old family gun. It had been his Grandad's.

You know me and old shotguns. When we changed stations I asked him if I could try a couple shots. He agreed, and I told the trapper I'd want a following pair after the round was complete.

Some backstory. Last time I recall shooting a 97 much was in Southeast Asia, in 1970. A well worn 97 was part of our crew equipment and was a real comfort on guard duty at night.

I took this one, loaded two of my light 7/8 oz reloads and mounted a couple of times getting used to the generous stock drop. I also made sure I gripped low on the wrist to avoid getting cut by those sharp edges on the bolt.

I called "Pull", chipped the first one and smashed the second.

More backstory. Cataract surgery left me with 20/20 vision at distance, but close up I need corrective lenses. I had left my readers in the truck.

As I handed the old shotgun back to its owner I finally got focused in enough to see that what had appeared to be discolorations on the barrel were swirls and twists in a regular pattern.

That's right, Damascus.......

For those coming in late, in the 19th century barrels were made by heating strips of iron and steel red hot, then banging them with hammers to weld them. After folding and banging several times, the strips were wound around cold steel mandrels and hammered some more, then filed and ground into shape. The barrels were often good when new, but a century can see lots of little voids in those welds and even when new some did not stand up to the higher pressures of smpkeless powder.

The technique was quite ancient. Roman Gladiuses were made thus.

So, I explained to the somewhat puzzled owner as we left the line that he had a gun most folks regarded as dangerous. I advised him to send the 97 to either Simmons or Nu Line for an evaluation, deep cleaning and some PM. From the shuck it could be determined that old lube had hardened and needed removal and replacement. Either company could also measure the chamber and tell if modern shells were OK.

They could also tell if this was a 97 or the older 93, which should NOT be used with modern ammo, period.

But, when I held that old shotgun and shot, for a fleeting moment I was once again young. That was worth a bit of risk.

The moral, of course, is to know what everyone is shooting. Safety is everyone's job.

Questions, comments, donations of old 97s?.....
 
Guess you proved to yourself that shooting Damascus barrels isn't always an instant death sentence.......... ;)

Many seem to think that way, and his gun may need some work, but I know several who dearly love taking their old girls out for a few shots at clays or birds.....something special about guns like these
 
They do make cylinder inserts too, makes a 12 a 20 and reinforces the chamber to a modern steel strength. I am thinking of doing that to my grandpa's shotgun. He got it I think when he was 8. he was born in 1920.
Whatever it takes to get a rabbit with it, If I do and my 15 year old does, it will have been used to feed 5 generations assuming his dad used it too at some point which is likely.
If not, I can load 12, 20 and .410 shells right now, there has to be a reduced load that makes them safe out there somewhere.
 
Damascus

There is an article concerning the strength of Damascus barreled shotguns in a past issue of "The Double Gun Journal". It was written by Sherman Bell and is part of a series entitled "Finding Out for Myself". (I'll try to find the issue #.)
For the article, Bell and Tom Armbruster tested three (IIRC) shotguns to failure. One of these was a good quality Damascus gun.
That gun took an amazing amount of abuse before failure; it never did blow up.
That is not to say that every "made in Belgium" damascus gun is safe, only that the barrels may well be worth the time and trouble to check out.
Pete
 
Thanks, folks.

When the design was new, Damascus was a high dollar option for upgrading a shotgun. Now, it's a major drawback.

Some such barrels are fired every day, usually in high grade doubles of venerable years.

And every now and then, one lets go, usually between the eyes and forward hand.

I do not suffer from excessive amounts of fingers or eyeballs. So, I'll pass on further experiments....
 
I'm not that sure i would even want some custom hand-load blackpower ammo in a shotgun that old....

Just like Mr. McCracken stated "...I do not suffer from excessive amounts of fingers or eyeballs..."
 
I'm enjoying this thread and am learning a bit about things I didn't know. I'm not familiar with guns made prior to the smokeless era, since my interests are elsewhere, but I've been around a few people who enjoy collecting them. So at the risk of sounding ignorant, what is the difference between Damascus and what I've heard referred to as "twist" barrels? About all I know is that they look different, and that Damascus is more desirable. Is it the same type of manufacturing? If Damascus is dangerous, are twist barrels worse, or do they just suffer from workmanship and degrade about the same?
 
I'm enjoying this thread and am learning a bit about things I didn't know. I'm not familiar with guns made prior to the smokeless era, since my interests are elsewhere, but I've been around a few people who enjoy collecting them. So at the risk of sounding ignorant, what is the difference between Damascus and what I've heard referred to as "twist" barrels? About all I know is that they look different, and that Damascus is more desirable. Is it the same type of manufacturing? If Damascus is dangerous, are twist barrels worse, or do they just suffer from workmanship and degrade about the same?

See if you can get the link to open (SGW has been having server issues again) - IIRC, this link had a good explanation of the differences

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...sg=AFQjCNEfEGF5u5iYUNoT1C91XqUakoH-aw&cad=rja
 
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