Rob0321
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As of yesterday the effort to recall Senator Hudak has recommenced. If you have a valid Colorado ID card you can circulate petitions. Here is the website of the effort: http://www.recallhudaktoo.org/
Another Colorado Recall - Hudak
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Sheepdog1968
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Good. Recall as many as possible. Other states are taking notice as well as federal reps.
Carl N. Brown
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Yep, there is now a Colorado Recall effort against State Senataor Hudak. http://www.recallhudaktoo.org/ Recall Hudak Too
Oct 2007 Amanda Collins was raped at gun point in the gun-free U Nevada-Reno parking garage, 50 feet from the campus police dept. office. Her assailant, James Biela, later raped at least two other women and murdered another. Collins had a carry permit for self defense but had complied with university gun policy and left her gun home. Her rapist did not. "Had I been carrying that night, two other rapes would have been prevented and a young life would have been saved."
Mar 2013 Amanda testified before the Colorado legislature for the right of gun permit holders to carry on campus. Colorado Democrat Sen. Evie Hudak told her that "statistics are not on your side." That guns are useless for self defense.
The problem with Hudak's statement is that even the federal NCVS victim survey statitics show that victims who resist (especially with guns) fare better than victims who submit. (NCVS uses screening questions so that only self-identifed victims are eventually asked if they defended themselves and tends to underreport self-defense especially with guns.)
Source: "Dem State Senator To Rape Victims: No Guns For You!", Investors Business Daily, 7 Mar 2013.
http://news.investors.com/ibd-edito...lator-lectures-rape-victim-amanda-collins.htm
ADDED: When her comments became a controversey Evie Hudak claimed the stats were: "The Colorado Coalition Against Gun Violence says that for every one woman who used a handgun to kill someone in self-defense, 83 were murdered by them."
Notice that is not for 84 women who used a gun in self-defense, 83 were murdered with a gun. It is an apples to oranges comparison: women self-defenders who kill compared to women who were murdered with a gun. Unless Hudak wants to claim that all women who were murdered with a gun were defending themselves with a gun and were killed with their own gun.
Ryan Parker, "Colorado Sen. Evie Hudak responds to criticism over comments to rape victim", Denver Post, 5 Mar 2013.
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_22721762/colorado-senators-comments-rape-victim-drawing-criticism
Oct 2007 Amanda Collins was raped at gun point in the gun-free U Nevada-Reno parking garage, 50 feet from the campus police dept. office. Her assailant, James Biela, later raped at least two other women and murdered another. Collins had a carry permit for self defense but had complied with university gun policy and left her gun home. Her rapist did not. "Had I been carrying that night, two other rapes would have been prevented and a young life would have been saved."
Mar 2013 Amanda testified before the Colorado legislature for the right of gun permit holders to carry on campus. Colorado Democrat Sen. Evie Hudak told her that "statistics are not on your side." That guns are useless for self defense.
The problem with Hudak's statement is that even the federal NCVS victim survey statitics show that victims who resist (especially with guns) fare better than victims who submit. (NCVS uses screening questions so that only self-identifed victims are eventually asked if they defended themselves and tends to underreport self-defense especially with guns.)
Source: "Dem State Senator To Rape Victims: No Guns For You!", Investors Business Daily, 7 Mar 2013.
http://news.investors.com/ibd-edito...lator-lectures-rape-victim-amanda-collins.htm
ADDED: When her comments became a controversey Evie Hudak claimed the stats were: "The Colorado Coalition Against Gun Violence says that for every one woman who used a handgun to kill someone in self-defense, 83 were murdered by them."
Notice that is not for 84 women who used a gun in self-defense, 83 were murdered with a gun. It is an apples to oranges comparison: women self-defenders who kill compared to women who were murdered with a gun. Unless Hudak wants to claim that all women who were murdered with a gun were defending themselves with a gun and were killed with their own gun.
Ryan Parker, "Colorado Sen. Evie Hudak responds to criticism over comments to rape victim", Denver Post, 5 Mar 2013.
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_22721762/colorado-senators-comments-rape-victim-drawing-criticism
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What are the chances that a recall might work in district 19? She's been in office for 5 years. Hudak was born in NYC which makes any support from Bloomberg a good talking point. She's been criticised for the Collins testimony response. http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...enator-evie-hudak-faces-recall-petition-drive , but the earlier recall effort failed to get the requred signatures.
Remember that it hurts our side if there's a certainty of failing. Failing weakens us by robbing the momentum from the 2 recent successful recalls and emboldens the Antis in the upcoming 2014 election where the governor and many legislative offices might be won for our side. One of those 2 wins was a long shot, but having succeeded do RKBA advocates play it safe and take the wins to 2014 for the bigger stakes or take the risk of failing at recalling Hudak? Recalling Hudak would provide additional momentum for us and would be a great thing. Failing wouldn't just be "Well, we tried,".
Remember that it hurts our side if there's a certainty of failing. Failing weakens us by robbing the momentum from the 2 recent successful recalls and emboldens the Antis in the upcoming 2014 election where the governor and many legislative offices might be won for our side. One of those 2 wins was a long shot, but having succeeded do RKBA advocates play it safe and take the wins to 2014 for the bigger stakes or take the risk of failing at recalling Hudak? Recalling Hudak would provide additional momentum for us and would be a great thing. Failing wouldn't just be "Well, we tried,".
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I agree that a failed recall effort could boost the antis chances in future elections and help them. From some of what I have seen, though, Hudak is not just anti-gun, she is an arrogant, nasty person, and a recall effort could bring those traits to the fore.
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That's a key question. If the majority of potential voters looks like what you find in San Francisco or New York City, a recall effort might be a waste of time, money and effort. Winning is often determined by where you plan to battle.
After two major wins the time may have come to move the focus to next year's election. Short of a successful recall or election defeat, the best way to hurt Sen. Hudak is to push the Democrats out of having a controling majority in the Col. Senate.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/08/colorado-gun-rights-advocates-plan-another-recall-effort/
Fox has a piece this morning on the Haduk recall effort which should give some added momentum to getting the needed signatures. They included a bit on the Collins/Haduk exchange that was brief, but they did include a link to video of the exchange that makes Haduk look idiotic and insensitive.
Fox has a piece this morning on the Haduk recall effort which should give some added momentum to getting the needed signatures. They included a bit on the Collins/Haduk exchange that was brief, but they did include a link to video of the exchange that makes Haduk look idiotic and insensitive.
CSM has picked it up.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politi...ts-third-state-senator-who-backed-gun-control
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politi...ts-third-state-senator-who-backed-gun-control
230RN
2A was "political" when it was first adopted.
Might want to look at this, too, especially regarding Hudak's stand on teacher performance.
http://www.mycoloradoview.com/spotlight-on-colorado-senate-district-19/
And from hso's CSM article cited above,
Hopefully, all the Libertarians out there would vote for the recall.
I like to think that pretty soon even the threat of a recall, of actual persons out there on the streets working to boot them out, would be effective in deterring what I see as tyranny by the majority. Too many people and politicians seem to think that the phrase "the majority rules" means "with an iron fist."
Terry
http://www.mycoloradoview.com/spotlight-on-colorado-senate-district-19/
And from hso's CSM article cited above,
Hopefully, all the Libertarians out there would vote for the recall.
I like to think that pretty soon even the threat of a recall, of actual persons out there on the streets working to boot them out, would be effective in deterring what I see as tyranny by the majority. Too many people and politicians seem to think that the phrase "the majority rules" means "with an iron fist."
Terry
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Get her out guys, spread the news at your local gunshops, Cabellas, gunshows, forums, etc. After hearing her response to that rape victim that spoke she definitely needs the boot in a hard way. Don't let her stay. The morals of this great Country can be cleaned up, one politician at a time if need be.
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The momentum is definately with us. I'd say that this is something that should be persued, and it's obvious that the very threat of furure recalls is very likely to influence current behaviour by those who might be subjct to same. Keep them worried...
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Nothing ventured, nothing gained, and so long as the recall effort isn't sucking air away from more important battles (are there any, currently?) there is little risk in pressing the recall. If the last recalls proved anything, it's that the NRA can get away with campaigning far more efficiently than Bloomberg (+7X the fuel-economy, apparently 
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Let's not forget how much harder pissed off people impacted by these laws will fight and vote than people who happened to agree with a sound-bite six months ago
TCB
)Let's not forget how much harder pissed off people impacted by these laws will fight and vote than people who happened to agree with a sound-bite six months ago
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Resist Evil
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I live in Hudak's district. I signed the first petition. I didn't know that there was a second petition drive until I drove by a spot on Wadsworth near 88th where people were waving placards near a table. I didn't know this was a second effort, so I didn't stop by.
I know better now, so I need to get in on this one directly.
I know better now, so I need to get in on this one directly.
Dframe
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I certainly wish we could recall dick durbin.
Coltdriver
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The Tanner Gunshow is in Denver this weekend and there will be a Hudak recall collection effort at the show.
The first two tries worked perfectly. There is some good momentum in the state right now.
Nobody really thought the other two idiots would be successfully recalled either.
This effort was revived as a result of the success of the first two.
If you go to the show, find the recall effort and give em a couple of bucks.
Correction: Someone prompted me to correct the numbers I had posted. I had attributed far too much to the socialist bloomberg.
Here are the numbers from the Anti Forces vs the Citizens of the State of Colorado:
Antis spent $3 Million
Citizens spent $540K
You can read about it here:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern...In-CO-Recall-Proves-Money-Cannot-Beat-Passion
The first two tries worked perfectly. There is some good momentum in the state right now.
Nobody really thought the other two idiots would be successfully recalled either.
This effort was revived as a result of the success of the first two.
If you go to the show, find the recall effort and give em a couple of bucks.
Correction: Someone prompted me to correct the numbers I had posted. I had attributed far too much to the socialist bloomberg.
Here are the numbers from the Anti Forces vs the Citizens of the State of Colorado:
Antis spent $3 Million
Citizens spent $540K
You can read about it here:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern...In-CO-Recall-Proves-Money-Cannot-Beat-Passion
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Bighouse Doc
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Recalls generally don't succeed.
I was pleasantly surprised by the previous two.
There is nothing for us to lose on this, so lets go get her!
I was pleasantly surprised by the previous two.
There is nothing for us to lose on this, so lets go get her!
230RN
2A was "political" when it was first adopted.
I was going to post about there being a table for that at the Tanner Gun Show at the Merchanidse Mart this weekend, but someone beat me to it. Easy to get to... I-25 Exit 58th Avenue and it's less than a half mile east.
I do not know if you will actually have to pay to get into the show to sign the petition or contribute, or they will have a greeting table up front to do this without actually paying. Someone help me out on this one.
Just because you don't live in that district does NOT mean you can't assist the effort. They could probably use some help manning their table at the gun show and their new offices in Arvada on 64th Ave and Simms. (See map in their website.) You don't have to be a resident of Hudak's district to help out that way.
I'm not sure how much I can help out physically, but I dropped off some good will there yesterday to to help counteract some of the out-of-state bucks which WILL be coming in to Hudak's campaign to counteract this recall effort --if recallhudaktoo gets the signatures needed to get the recall to the ballot. I think they needed 19,000 or so, but I'm sure someone will correct me on that.
That signature-gathering is an uphill battle, but I would hope all the Libertarians who voted Libertarian and possibly put Hudak in office will hotfoot it down to their offices or the Tanner Gun Show and sign the petition. (I'm not putting Libertarians down --you voted your conscience --but it's a good bet that splitting the "conservative" vote put Hudak over the top in the election.)
Merely signing the petition is not a vote, but getting this on a citizen's ballot allows the whole electorate of that District to make a choice.
Another hard-won uphill battle a while ago:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WW2_Iwo_Jima_flag_raising.jpg
Terry, 230RN
NOTE: Wiki is icky about the "fair use" of that photo, so I just linked to it.
I do not know if you will actually have to pay to get into the show to sign the petition or contribute, or they will have a greeting table up front to do this without actually paying. Someone help me out on this one.
Just because you don't live in that district does NOT mean you can't assist the effort. They could probably use some help manning their table at the gun show and their new offices in Arvada on 64th Ave and Simms. (See map in their website.) You don't have to be a resident of Hudak's district to help out that way.
I'm not sure how much I can help out physically, but I dropped off some good will there yesterday to to help counteract some of the out-of-state bucks which WILL be coming in to Hudak's campaign to counteract this recall effort --if recallhudaktoo gets the signatures needed to get the recall to the ballot. I think they needed 19,000 or so, but I'm sure someone will correct me on that.
That signature-gathering is an uphill battle, but I would hope all the Libertarians who voted Libertarian and possibly put Hudak in office will hotfoot it down to their offices or the Tanner Gun Show and sign the petition. (I'm not putting Libertarians down --you voted your conscience --but it's a good bet that splitting the "conservative" vote put Hudak over the top in the election.)
Merely signing the petition is not a vote, but getting this on a citizen's ballot allows the whole electorate of that District to make a choice.
Another hard-won uphill battle a while ago:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WW2_Iwo_Jima_flag_raising.jpg
Terry, 230RN
NOTE: Wiki is icky about the "fair use" of that photo, so I just linked to it.
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Lucky Derby
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I was involved in the original Recall Hudak campaign and I am involved in the current Recall Hudak Too campaign.
To clarify, the first effort did not fail, it was suspended. We realized that we (all three recall groups) did not have enough resources at the time to be sucessful. Had Recall Hudak not been suspended, the Morse & Giron recalls , as well as the Hudak recall, would have failed. We redirected the Recall Hudak resources into the Morse & Giron efforts, and won those because of this.
The new Recall Hudak Too campaign now has the resources of the Morse & Giron recall teams. We are now better organized & educated than any of the first three recalls teams were.
I live in Hudak's district, and I can tell you this is about far more than just gun control.
If you live in SD19 (Westminster & Arvada CO), please sign, at a bare minimum. Boots on the ground collecting signitures are really needed, so if you live in SD19, or nearby, please volunteer to help. If you are not in the area, there are other ways you can help to. Visit www.recallhudaktoo.org to find out more.
To clarify, the first effort did not fail, it was suspended. We realized that we (all three recall groups) did not have enough resources at the time to be sucessful. Had Recall Hudak not been suspended, the Morse & Giron recalls , as well as the Hudak recall, would have failed. We redirected the Recall Hudak resources into the Morse & Giron efforts, and won those because of this.
The new Recall Hudak Too campaign now has the resources of the Morse & Giron recall teams. We are now better organized & educated than any of the first three recalls teams were.
I live in Hudak's district, and I can tell you this is about far more than just gun control.
If you live in SD19 (Westminster & Arvada CO), please sign, at a bare minimum. Boots on the ground collecting signitures are really needed, so if you live in SD19, or nearby, please volunteer to help. If you are not in the area, there are other ways you can help to. Visit www.recallhudaktoo.org to find out more.
I am glad to see this as I think Hudak is one of the worst. Watching that video again makes me very upset, as she uses the same old made up statistics to lie about having a legally possessed gun used against you my your attacker. That was an insult to that rape victim, and anyone who carries a gun for SD.
Hudak is yet another New York carpetbagger bringing New York, progressive, and oppressive attitudes to a free state like Colorado. All these people care about is wrestling power from the sane people that should be in these positions.
Hudak is yet another New York carpetbagger bringing New York, progressive, and oppressive attitudes to a free state like Colorado. All these people care about is wrestling power from the sane people that should be in these positions.
Careful with the rhetoric. Hyperbole is fine, but going too far actually weakens us.
Hudak can't be characterized as a "carpetbagger". She's been in CO for at least and probably far more than 15-20 years. That's not like some left coast or right coast refugee who just showed up and started working to change CO because they missed subways and beaches.
She is someone who has been working in politics in CO for quite a while and can be accused of having lost touch with voters since she's been working her way up through the political systems in education and then political office for the last 20 years. She may have started out with the best intentions trying to improve education in CO (but there's no guarantee that she supported good educational measures), but she's out of her depth and out of her league when it comes to the rights of Coloradans. She needs to stick to her area of expertise and shouldn't be in an elected office that deals with broader issues.
She can be unseated, but you'll have a much harder time unseating her without knowing her history and knowing her actual strengths and weaknesses.
Hudak can't be characterized as a "carpetbagger". She's been in CO for at least and probably far more than 15-20 years. That's not like some left coast or right coast refugee who just showed up and started working to change CO because they missed subways and beaches.
She is someone who has been working in politics in CO for quite a while and can be accused of having lost touch with voters since she's been working her way up through the political systems in education and then political office for the last 20 years. She may have started out with the best intentions trying to improve education in CO (but there's no guarantee that she supported good educational measures), but she's out of her depth and out of her league when it comes to the rights of Coloradans. She needs to stick to her area of expertise and shouldn't be in an elected office that deals with broader issues.
She can be unseated, but you'll have a much harder time unseating her without knowing her history and knowing her actual strengths and weaknesses.
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MagnumWill
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They're right near my house. I'm there tomorrow, that's for sure. Heck, I've even got $20 on me now that they can have.
PedalBiker
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One article indicated that the Democrats won't let this go to an election. They'll have her resign and appoint a replacement.
That is still a victory because many Democrats in Colorado are decent folks who respect our heritage and the social benefits of gun ownership so there is a relatively good chance they can get someone who is at least somewhat reasonable.
One thing we can do better next time is get out the word that most gun control costs lives. One of the bills wasn't even "gun safety" it was an additional tax on gun owners.
That is still a victory because many Democrats in Colorado are decent folks who respect our heritage and the social benefits of gun ownership so there is a relatively good chance they can get someone who is at least somewhat reasonable.
One thing we can do better next time is get out the word that most gun control costs lives. One of the bills wasn't even "gun safety" it was an additional tax on gun owners.
Even if she resigned it would be doing just about the same thing. Even though we wouldn't get to gloat as much at least she would be out and not influencing CO laws. And if the next representative that takes over attacks the Constitution, start it up again.
at least she would be out and not influencing CO laws. And if the next representative that takes over attacks the Constitution, start it up again.
OilyPablo
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This may be a dupe, but who cares. Donate to the recall immediately!!
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