Anti-gun editorial at Oklahoma Community College

[Daggertphi]

I, too, live in Oklahoma and have spoken to campus officials in order to try to allow concealed carry on campus. Unfortunately, they have remained entirely closed-minded to the situation. I this random thought the other day that I have mixed feelings about:
Would it be entirely uncalled for (in the event that students WERE allowed to carry) that a course on campus security would be required to carry on campus. I'm not suggesting that all concealing students be deputized, only that they recieve basic triaining in communication and safety skills, even basic triage. This training might help to quiet the concerns of those that don't understand that we are the good guys.

 

[FourTeeFive]

“For example, when officers arrive on an active shooter scene,” Sechrist said, “if students who are trying to be helpful also have their weapons drawn, the officers would not be able to distinguish between the dangerous person with a gun from the helpful students who also have guns.”

I think it is preferable to the current situation, where you can identify the students as the ones laying on the ground bleeding...

 

[archigos]

I, too, live in Oklahoma and have spoken to campus officials in order to try to allow concealed carry on campus. Unfortunately, they have remained entirely closed-minded to the situation. I this random thought the other day that I have mixed feelings about:
Would it be entirely uncalled for (in the event that students WERE allowed to carry) that a course on campus security would be required to carry on campus. I'm not suggesting that all concealing students be deputized, only that they recieve basic triaining in communication and safety skills, even basic triage. This training might help to quiet the concerns of those that don't understand that we are the good guys.

That'd be perfectly acceptable at private colleges under property rights, not as a separate measure imposed by government.
Even in the case of public universities, I'd love to see such a class be offered at no extra charge to students. I would be surprised if the majority of those who opted to carry didn't choose to take the class.

 

[archigos]

Perfect timing for this.

Take part in the Students for Concealed Carry on Campus Empty Holster Protest.
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=7594769834

Its April 21st to April 25th.
If its not already been done, submit a letter to your school newspaper explaining what the protest is, what its about, and why all these people are wearing holsters around your campus. There's already an outline for a letter to administrators (that could very easily be used as a guideline for writing a letter to the newspaper) on the event page linked above.

 

[Daggertphi]

I participated in the open-holster rally last semester and sent a letter to the paper, but they were "encouraged" to run another article at the time... so much for free speech. It's tough to support 2nd ammendment rights at a university that ignores students' rights altogether.

Just last year a student was expelled from my University for a comment he made on a website that was in no way, shape, or form affiliated with the school. The comment was off color by his own admission, but free speech just the same. He was expelled, and to the best of my knowlede is one reason our campus in nearly entirely anti-gun as far as the faculty and administration are concerned.

 

[romeo212000]

I wonder if there is a way to get with other 2nd Ammendment supporters at OCCC so we can coordinate. I think we would draw a lot more protesters out in the open if we could get the word and and if people knew they would not be protesting alone in the school.

 

[MudPuppy]

"If the next campus shooting takes place at our university, it is our position that we want the intended victims of the assailant to be unarmed and defenseless. It's true that many people will likely die as a result of this, but it's preferable to the alternative."

 

[Pat-inCO]

Please help me understand why an editorial in a campus news letter is of so much concern.

 

[Im283]

It would be fairly easy to figure out who the bad guy is in this scenario. he or she would be the person who shot themselves dead at the first sign of resistance. These types always choose to blow themselves away as soon as someone with a gun coming for them enters the building.

They would be the dead person with a gun near their hand.

legitimate defenders would have their gun holstered by the time the cops showed up.

 

[romeo212000]

Pat in CO. It is a concern to me because it is local for me and there is something I can do about it. The reason it is a bigger deal to me is because what is given as fact and more people are forming their opinions based on untruth. These young people will be the ones voting for laws for or agains gun control. That is why it is important to me. The original post was more about how I handled the situation.

 

[Rachen]

Of all places, Oklahoma???

The libperverts' agenda is like mildew spores. They get into everywhere. Humidity, mildew, mold, diphtheria, corruption, decay.......................

 

[mons meg]

Yes, in Oklahoma, too. What we've learned here during this whole process is just how well-developed the higher educational political machine actually is. Paid lobbyists and high-powered ex-Senator presidents like David Boren mean you don't do ANYTHING at the Capitol regarding their "turf" without their say-so.

 

[RP88]

so what exactly are a bunch of unarmed campus security guys gonna do to stop a bad guy other than call the police?

 

[romeo212000]

Well at OCCC they are armed but from the looks of them they are basically rent-a-cops

 

[macadore]

No matter where you are in the world, no matter your race or religion, there is only one antidote to an armed bad guy and that is an armed good guy.

What a great sig. Think I’ll borrow it.

 

[romeo212000]

Apparently I made an impact with the editor. He printed an article this week about how the bill had been defeated. The article was basically no partisan. Had quotes from both sides including both students and state officials.

 

[mons meg]

Technically, the bill wasn't defeated. It passed the House by a good margin, and now the Senate has no time to hear it even though it's been all over the news. Couldn't have had anything to do with the silly "task force" report on campus safety that just came out.