Any ideas on a 9mm AR-15?

[the 22 junkie]

I've been considering one for a while now, especially with the recent finnickieness of 223 ammo lately. Prolly a Bushmaster Carbon-15 (http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/Carbon15/az9-c15r16m4ft.asp)
ANd I was wondering if anyone had one, what I could expect with one accuracy/reliability and just general feel. As for optics I'm thinking a 4x32 red ACOG, so the gun, scope, and 4 extra mags together would probably come out to about $1600 (low side), aobut the same as the Ps90 I'm passing up. (Lack of ammo mostly). Any thoughts/comments/questions would be appreiciated.

 

[swingset]

Carbons seem to be in short supply, IIRC.

The Acog seems like overkill on a gun whose effective range is within 1x eyesight. If it were me, I'd save alot of coin and put a quality red dot or Eotech on it.

I love AR's, but I can't get around the cost of a 9mm AR when other guns perform just as well for vastly less (Keltec, Storm, etc).

Good luck with whatever you do.

 

[Nhsport]

Pistol caliber carbines are a hoot,and the price of 9mm ammo just adds fuel to the fire.
I had a ruger police carbine for a while but traded it off as I could not get the trigger to a level acceptable to me.
I considered the storm and some of the other designs (the storm seems to be a standout) but based upon my safe full of AR gear I decided the best way for me would be an olympic upper in 9mm.
I had availble lowers,scopes,red dots,Eotechs . With the Oly upper I was just adding to the system.
If one is buying a complete rifle the ar types are quite expensivee, (but still worth a look) . If one has previously bought into the system buying the upper is justifing the sickness!

 

[ugaarguy]

Olympic Arms is making complete AR Carbines which have lower recievers that take Glock Magazines. If you want mag compatability get one of those and a Glock pistol to go with it. Nothing like readily available 17 and 33 round 9mm mags

 

[CCWMAN]

Olympic Arms Quality is crap! Colt, Bushmaster, or Uzi Carbines!

My choice would be a Colt or original IMI Uzi Carbine. The rest of the stuff is not combat effective. With all the problems of the Beretta Storm I wouldn't bother with it! Also, I refuse to own plastic guns like Glocks, Springfield XD's, Hk USP's(My brother works for a gunshop in Vegas and they get a lot of broken ones for repair), or other plastic pistols. The only exception might be a Walther P99. The same is true of polymer receiver rifles.

I wish Beretta USA would produce a semi-auto version of the Model 12S subgun with a 16" barrel! That would be awesome AND reliable!

 

[ugaarguy]

My choice would be a Colt or original IMI Uzi Carbine. The rest of the stuff is not combat effective. With all the problems of the Beretta Storm I wouldn't bother with it! Also, I refuse to own plastic guns like Glocks, Springfield XD's, Hk USP's(My brother works for a gunshop in Vegas and they get a lot of broken ones for repair), or other plastic pistols. The only exception might be a Walther P99. The same is true of polymer receiver rifles.

AK-based rifles are the most reliable,then Original FN-FAL semi's, Original HK93/91's, Remington 870 or Wichester Defender or Mossberg 12 Guage shotguns, then comes Colt .45, browning High power .9mm, Beretta .70S .380, S&W .38/.357.

CCWMAN, are you aware of the cost of original Colt and IMI weapons? Why does the walther P99 get a pass, but the other plastic pistols don't? Polymer reciever rifles? You are aware that the Carbon 15 has a carbon fiber reciever correct? You are aware that this is a thread on 9mm AR type Carbines not rifles, shotguns, and handguns, correct? I didn't know this until recently, but are you aware that other than 590A1 models all Mossberg shotguns have plastic trigger groups? I personally worked for a gun shop in NE Georgia and rarely if ever saw Glocks or HKs in for repair; the XDs were still new so there weren't enough out for me to comment on them now, though I never saw one in for repair. Could you please also cite some of these Olympic Arms problems you speak of? For the record I previously owned a Glock 22 and it was 100% reliable. I traded it because I shot the FN/Browning Hi-Power better (not High Power), or P-35 if you prefer, and used the money toward the purchase of a Hi-Power. I plan to purchase another Glock in 9mm this time when finances allow and other wants are taken care of. I also own an original Colt SP1 AR-15. My Oly Arms carbine suggestion was based on getting a decent quality, not Colt fit & finish, carbine that uses readily available & affordable magazines to shoot the cheaper 9mm ammo as the OP (original poster) desires to do. The fact that these same magazines are compatible with a widely used, widely available pistol that is relatively inexpensive on the new or used market adds value to the Oly Arms Glock lower equipped AR type carbines.

 

[swingset]

With all the problems of the Beretta Storm I wouldn't bother with it!

What's a problem? Mine has been 100% reliable and I'm up near 10,000 rounds.

I guess those plastic guns aren't worth it.

But hey, if you think it's subpar to a Colt that costs 3x as much, weighs alot more, and is longer, well how can I argue with that kind of logic?

Oh wait, I remember you from the Beretta boards....trolling over and over how the Storm was a POS. Same old song.

 

[444]

There was a thread within the last couple months about pistol caliber carbines. I was taken to task (of course) for my opinion: do a search, there is plenty of information about pistol caliber carbines, 9mm cabines etc.
In that previous thread I mentioned that I have owned three different 9mm carbines including the Ruger PC9, the Hi-Point, and the AR15.

Without going into a lot of detail, I favor the AR15 for a number of reasons:

First of all, the AR15 platform is probably the most mainstream weapons platform in the US right now. Any configuration, and any accessory out there is made for it. If you see something cool, odds are, it is made for your gun.
Second: Versitility. You can buy a normal 5.56 AR15 and easily turn it into a 9mm AR15, or a .22LR AR15, or a .458 Socom AR15.................... And, when/if you change out for another caliber, the accessories you already own will fit it. For example: you buy an Aimpoint ML3 optic. You can use it on any upper you own. When you switch from 5.56 to 9mm, you simply remove the optic from the 5.56 flat top and put it on your 9mm flat top. Register the lower as a short barreled rifle and you can simply switch out your present upper for a short upper. Buy an M16 lower and you can shoot all those different calibers full auto simply by switching out the uppers (and magwell etc.).
Third: Understudy: As you practice/train with your 9mm carbine, you are also training with your 5.56 carbine since the stock and the trigger and the sights are the same.