OP
OP
bassjam
Member
If I could hunt with a .30 cal here in Ohio I'd love to take it out during deer season, but I'm limited to shotguns and pistol caliber rifles .357 and larger.
Any M1 Carbine Experts?
- Thread starter bassjam
- Start date
- Status
If I could hunt with a .30 cal here in Ohio I'd love to take it out during deer season, but I'm limited to shotguns and pistol caliber rifles .357 and larger.
theotherwaldo
Member
I blundered into a Universal M-1 carbine that was stuffed into a black plastic folding stock. A fun and handy little truck gun, although the stock seemed to amplify the recoil and made the smaller shooters uncomfortable. I've considered installing it in a surplus wood stock but, frankly, I like it just fine the way it is.
Speedo66
Member
They did away with the specified cartridges, now it's just all straight walled cartridges over .357, which would include .38-55, .45-70, etc. not just pistol calibers.
Old Stumpy
Member
- Joined
- Mar 3, 2019
- Messages
- 1,451
All true. They are fun to shoot and easy to shoot accurately. Years ago, standing and firing off hand, I could consistently knock over pop cans at 50 yards, and shoot about 7" groups at 100 yards.
When I was young and stupid I did a close up penetration test with a pile of old magazines and a 110 grain soft point.
I expected a single hole much like you would get from a .45 ACP FMJ.
Instead I got a cone-shaped blast crater about 5" deep. Definitely has the power of a .357, and with a soft point similar hunting efficiency,
You do know they made a pistol in 30 carbine.....so I wonder if it would work....I don't know the laws up there.....I have read that it is a straight walled pistol caliber....well if that is the case and it is ok to use a 357 lever gun then I don't see why you could not use a 30 carbine.
Photo of the pistol....I remember when they came out and I really wanted one.....but younger, and while I had the money did not have enough for this kind of toy....would be worth some money today if I chose to sell it....but I generally don't sell guns.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMT_AutoMag_III
My uncle had an M2 in Vietnam, and he was not a fan.....he did not talk much about it but we did shoot from time to time as long as I was the one doing the cleaning....he hated cleaning. Said he unloaded the M2 to a Nung and then went to a Sweed K....then to an AK....he liked the AK quite a bit and kept that till he went back to Germany and there he learned to speak romanian.........Wish I could have got him to talk more about it...he has passed now, and had demons.....closest thing to a dad that I had.
Speedo66
Member
This from the official OH state hunting site re: deer hunting cartridges:
"Handgun: With 5-inch minimum length barrel, using straight-walled cartridges .357 caliber or larger. The barrel is measured from the front of the cylinder or chamber to the end of the barrel.
Straight-walled cartridge rifles in the following calibers: All straight-walled cartridge calibers from a minimum of .357 to a maximum of .50. Shotguns and straight-walled cartridge rifles can be loaded with no more than three shells in the chamber and magazine combined."
So nothing less than .357 diameter, handgun or rifle for hunting deer. What I don't understand is they allow ANY caliber handgun or rifle for coyote or feral pigs. Why no restriction to straight walled cartridges if it's a safety issue?
Carl N. Brown
Member
While the main dozen contractors made complete M1 Carbines in WWII, they also subcontracted some parts to gunmakers like Marlin and Savage. And the contractors would help each other out if they were short of parts. They are reference books that detail that (and include parts codes to look for.)
My M1 Carbine was a late 1980s reimport from South Korea just before the freeze so it has the importer stamp. Originally made in 1943 by IBM, it has a lot of the post WWII arsenal rebuild upgrades: 3 nib magazine catch for the 30 round magazine, barrel band with bayonet lug, adjustable rear sight, grey metal finish, and the thick M2 stock made by Howa of Japan with a rough non-refective finish. It still has the flat top bolt, though. While all original factory has a special collector status, the arsenal rebuilds are historical because that was how many were issued by the military.
"... WWII stripper clips with the attached spoons"
People would use those to reload the box magazines, then toss the strippers (and even the spoons) treating them as disposable. The strippers and spoons are now considered collectible.
"If you EVER see a 40 rnd carbine mag ---- RUN AWAY!!!! RUN FAR FAR AWAY!!!!! IT'S A TRAP!!! (Really, they STINK!!!!!) "
I had a 40 rounder that I bought from a dealer who warned me it was not reliable and sold it to me cheap. The 40 rounders were a commercial aftermarket mistake. It would not work with a full load. I cut it down to make a 10 rounder for zeroing and checking sights from the bench and it works well and I don't need a mountain of sand bags. Plus I did not have to waste one of my GI 15 or 30 round magazine to make a 10 rounder. If the only thing a 40 rnd carbine mag is good for is to cut down to 10 rounds for bench shooting (or 5 rounds if state law has a limit on hunting rifle capacity), then yes the 40 rnd STINKS.
The third (side) catch on the magazine catch helps stabilize the heavier 30 shot magazines and spread the wear out over the three magazine nibs on the 30 shot magazines instead of just the back two engaged by 15 shot magazine catch. Successful use of 30 shot magazines in a carbine with the original two nib catch is possible if the magazine nibs are not worn. However, the carbine just looks right with a 15 round magazine.
My M1 Carbine was a late 1980s reimport from South Korea just before the freeze so it has the importer stamp. Originally made in 1943 by IBM, it has a lot of the post WWII arsenal rebuild upgrades: 3 nib magazine catch for the 30 round magazine, barrel band with bayonet lug, adjustable rear sight, grey metal finish, and the thick M2 stock made by Howa of Japan with a rough non-refective finish. It still has the flat top bolt, though. While all original factory has a special collector status, the arsenal rebuilds are historical because that was how many were issued by the military.
"... WWII stripper clips with the attached spoons"
People would use those to reload the box magazines, then toss the strippers (and even the spoons) treating them as disposable. The strippers and spoons are now considered collectible.
"If you EVER see a 40 rnd carbine mag ---- RUN AWAY!!!! RUN FAR FAR AWAY!!!!! IT'S A TRAP!!! (Really, they STINK!!!!!) "
I had a 40 rounder that I bought from a dealer who warned me it was not reliable and sold it to me cheap. The 40 rounders were a commercial aftermarket mistake. It would not work with a full load. I cut it down to make a 10 rounder for zeroing and checking sights from the bench and it works well and I don't need a mountain of sand bags. Plus I did not have to waste one of my GI 15 or 30 round magazine to make a 10 rounder. If the only thing a 40 rnd carbine mag is good for is to cut down to 10 rounds for bench shooting (or 5 rounds if state law has a limit on hunting rifle capacity), then yes the 40 rnd STINKS.
The third (side) catch on the magazine catch helps stabilize the heavier 30 shot magazines and spread the wear out over the three magazine nibs on the 30 shot magazines instead of just the back two engaged by 15 shot magazine catch. Successful use of 30 shot magazines in a carbine with the original two nib catch is possible if the magazine nibs are not worn. However, the carbine just looks right with a 15 round magazine.
AK103K
member
- Joined
- Dec 27, 2002
- Messages
- 7,610
You can find the strippers with the spoons in "repack" kits on EBay for about $18. I bought a bunch of them when I got my first Carbine. For the money, you get 12 strippers, the cardboard dividers, and a cloth bandoleer. Everything is basically "as new" too. At least all that I got were.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=m1+carbine+repack+kits&_sacat=0
carbine85
Member
Any chance you are a member of Middletown Sportsman? I could meet you up there sometime and tell you what you have. I have a couple of books on the Carbine. Some of the parts are a little tricky to identify.
Sounds like your father in law is like mine. I was selling this, but you can have it for free. You should feel blessed to have a good one. I love the M1 carbine, but haven't justified getting one yet.
Hay....If you have not figured it out yet....Justified has little to do with this stuff.
OP
OP
bassjam
Member
Thanks for the offer, but I'm down East of Cincinnati. Middletown is basically a foreign country to me lol!
OP
OP
bassjam
Member
We only have a 1 week gun season for deer and then it opens up for 2 more days a week later. So there are millions of hunters in the woods during our short gun season and even when I'm hunting private land I can hear shots going off every few minutes on the surrounding properties. I once counted over 50 shots just on a 3 hour morning hunt.
Needless to say, many of these hunters are a mixture of stupid and clueless, so giving them bottle-necked rifles would probably need to more deaths and manslaughter charges every gun season. I've personally met "hunters" who just shoot at the "deer" when they're hunting. They don't aim for the heart or lungs, they just shoot at the deer. I've heard of others that will fire at just a flash of a white tail.
There aren't nearly as many pig hunters in the woods at any given time, so that's why I assume they are OK to use bottle-necked cartridges.
Deltaboy1984
Member
It is my Mom's favorite Rifle around the farm!
Both my dad and grandfather worked at Saginaw Steering Gear. My grandfather said they were finding parts for m1 carbines in Plant 2 well into the 1960s. In any event, the flat bolts in general had a problem with breaking lugs. USGI round bolts can be found and are an easy swap, but definitely keep your original.
The magazines are a definite source of malfunction, the feed lips like to separate. A little tweak with a pair of pliers will get them back in shape, but the GI mags were never meant to be used for 70 years. You have yourself an excellent example of an early pattern carbine, get yourself a new bolt and recoil spring, keep her clean, lubed and well fed...
The magazines are a definite source of malfunction, the feed lips like to separate. A little tweak with a pair of pliers will get them back in shape, but the GI mags were never meant to be used for 70 years. You have yourself an excellent example of an early pattern carbine, get yourself a new bolt and recoil spring, keep her clean, lubed and well fed...
Shoulda bought a truckload of those ".30-30-Carbines". That's a rare bird.
Regards,
hps
crestoncowboy
Member
- Joined
- Feb 22, 2011
- Messages
- 3,307
Well the book was in a house I inherited. I wasnt born yet. And would have been too poor to buy one, much less a truck load. Lol But since you brought it up....here is a real 30-30 carbine. 94 or even a 99Shoulda bought a truckload of those ".30-30-Carbines". That's a rare bird.
Those must have been '50's or '60's prices; those were the days. Lots of milsurps available for cheap. The model 70's went for around $100 IIRC, but like you said, couldn't afford that at the time.
Regards,
hps
- Status
