Anyone BP for CCW?

[Oyeboten]

Was wondering...


Anyone CCW-ing with Black Powder Cap and Ball, or BP Metallic Cartridge?


No reason not to..!


Phil
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[Voodoochile]

This has been discused before.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=407211&highlight=concealed+carry

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=47&highlight=concealed+carry

 

[DutchmanDick]

Original 1890's vintage Colt #3 Derringer, loaded with reloadable .41RF cases from Dixie Gunworks: as much FFFg as it will hold, topped with a round ball (I have a custom heel-based bullet mold on the way, though), with a .22 blank for a primer.

 

[scrat]

and this is still my favorite story.

Only person I know who's a lunatic enough to do it is my friend Terry.

Terry went out, just after they passed the law, here in Texas, and applied. Despite everything, he was issued a permit in the first 1000 (I'll have to check on the number). His reason?

"I've always wanted to carry an 1860 Cap-n-Ball."

And he does. He carries a reproduction 1860 Army (an Uberti) in a custom-made leather shoulder holster (did I mention that Terry is very TALL?!?). He carries (or carried, haven't asked him in a while) it with one empty chamber, two chambers loaded with nothing but powder and wadding, and three chambers loaded up with lead.

One night, we were down in Austin, walking down Guadalupe after hitting 6th, and this little punk comes around the corner of the Celtic store (there's bit of open space, there, so we'd seen him coming...but we were drunk, and didn't really think anything about it. Terry was REAL drunk. Red-in-the-face drunk.). He sticks his hand in the pocket of his jacket and thrusts it forward at me. Even drunk, I did what any little black duck would do. I slipped behind Terry. Unabashed, the kid pointed at Terry and demanded our wallets. Terry, drunk and belligerent, told him to go **** himself (actually, he described it more graphically, but let's not belabour the point). The exchange from there went something like this:

BG: Man, I'll blow your head off!
Terry: With what? *laughs*
BG: [Thrusts hand in pocket forward] I've got a gun, man! I'll put a cap in yo' fat a**!
Terry: S**t. That finger wouldn't even get THROUGH the fat on my a**! Why don't'cha get a REAL gun?!? [reaches into jacket]
BG: Man, I'm warning you! I'll blow you away!
Terry: Then do it! It's you or me... [pulls out "The Cannon"]
BG: HOLY S**T!!!! WHUT THE **** IS THAT?!?
Terry: Punk-a** insurance! [points it in the air as the kid turns to run]
BG: MOTHUH******!!!

At this point, Terry squeezed off the first "BANG-BANG" chamber, with the resultant cloud of smoke and that low roar that BP makes. When the smoke cleared, Terry was on the ground laughing hysterically. The kid was nowhere to be seen. And me? I was sober. Totally, completely, and unquestioningly sober. Total time? About twelve seconds. If I could market stark terror, I'd be rich. It cures hangovers, lethargy, curiousity, and a HOST of other ailments, in my experience.

When he sobered up, Terry was aghast. He was like, "OH, S**T!!! What if the cops had busted me drunk?!?" At no point had he even considered that the kid just MIGHT have had a real gun. It had never even entered his head--that he might have gotten shot and killed.

Haven't partied much with Terry in a few years...but I hear he's still a bit of a Heller. Kinda strange. He seems to get worse as he ages, instead of mellowing...

Kal

 

[WardenWolf]

There's no accounting for stupid. But that said, there's really nothing wrong with using black powder for CCW. For all practical purposes, a black powder revolver is not significantly handicapped compared to a modern revolver. They can be powerful enough, and have enough shots to do whatever you need to do. Sure you can't reload them as fast, but if you need to reload any revolver in a fight, you're already in trouble.

 

[Oyeboten]

Hi Mike the Wolf,



Thank you...my thought exactly.


Knowing one's arm...being well practiced, second-nature with it...Shot placement, especially with alacrity or under duress, to me, to my mind, are primary.


I did used to CCW with a repro Cap and Ball Colt Navy ( on half-cock though, all chambers Loaded, or maybe Hammer down between Nipples, can't remember now, ) in the late '60s, early '70s.


If a reliable arm, and one is used to it, indeed, why not.



BP Metallic Cartridge Revolvers, similarly.


I knew someone about fifteen years ago, who daily CCW'd with an early Colt SAA in .45 LC, and had BP Cartridges in it, and he was a very serious fellow, knew his Arm...

 

[SwearNoAllegiance]

Nope, but I would if I were in the mood to.

 

[AdmiralB]

Here in Indiana, the law exempts "arms that do not use fixed ammunition or fixed cartridges" from the requirement of a CCW for concealed carry.

Of course, Indiana is a "shall issue" state, so that point is somewhat moot.

 

[Oyeboten]

Hi AdmiralB,



You'd said -

Here in Indiana, the law exempts "arms that do not use fixed ammunition or fixed cartridges" from the requirement of a CCW for concealed carry.

Sorry, I do not understand what that means...or what it means in parctice.


Explain?


Thanks,

Phil
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[AdmiralB]

It essentially means muzzleloaders...guns which don't use cartridges.

 

[nalioth]

Here in Indiana, the law exempts "arms that do not use fixed ammunition or fixed cartridges" from the requirement of a CCW for concealed carry.

Sorry, I do not understand what that means...or what it means in parctice.

It means that you can concealed carry any muzzle loading pistol you like in Indiana (Check the law for yourself) without needing a license to carry concealed.